The 50 greatest managers of all time

Sir Alex Ferguson with Champions League and English Premier League trophies

For all that he has won, there's much more to Alex Ferguson's managerial career than just trophies

10. Jock Stein

Points 1640
Nationality Scottish

Jock Stein once said that, everything he knew about football, he learnt in the pits. The importance of teamwork, the effect of camaraderie. Given that background, there are a lot of easy metaphors about diamonds in the rough and rising out of the darkness.

But then they are also entirely apt metaphors. Stein’s managerial career was initially marked by delivering teams to unexpected and unprecedented success.

On taking over at Dunfermline in March 1960, he immediately saved them from relegation and then steered them to the first trophy of their history – the 1961 Scottish Cup.

Such was his high-flying effect on Hibernian, then, that Stein didn’t even finish a full season before Celtic swooped.

And, in 1967, he famously lifted a group of largely local boys to the continent’s greatest stage. Even more impressively, he did so by changing the history of football tactics. The manner in which Stein’s Celtic overwhelmed Helenio Herrera’s Inter banished the Catenaccio strategy which had strangled Europe for almost a decade.

As Inter defender Tarcisio Burgnich later said, after enduring wave after wave of full-back-supported Celtic attacks, “We just knew, even after 15 minutes, that we were not going to keep them out… Even in the dressing room at half-time we looked at each other and we knew we were doomed.”

Ironically, the tables would be turned on Celtic three years later as Feyenoord claimed the 1970 European Cup with Ersnt Happel’s tactical trump cards. But the fact that Stein had yet again taken a team from the lower-regarded Scottish league to another final – and, indeed, another two semi-finals – was further testament to his ability.

Stein couldn’t quite bring that effect to international football as he was unable to break Scotland’s first-round glass ceiling in the 1982 World Cup. Nor could he qualify for the European Championship of 1980 or 1984. But, tragically, as Scotland stood on the brink of passage to Mexico 1986, Stein died as he lived. At the age of 62, Stein suffered a fatal heart attack on the Ninian Park bench as his team secured the 1-1 draw they needed against Wales.

In tragedy, there was still triumph. And, whatever of diamonds, few careers have sparkled with so many trophies.

Career Dunfermline 1960-64; Hibernian 1964-65; Scotland 1965; Celtic 1965-78; Leeds United 1978; Scotland 1978-85
Trophies 1 European Cup; 10 Scottish titles, 15 domestic cups

 

9. Jose Mourinho

Points 1645
Nationality Portuguese

Like many of football’s greatest personalities such as Bill Shankly, Malcolm Allison and Ernst Happel, it can often be difficult to separate Jose Mourinho’s charisma from his exact career.

And it is undoubtedly telling that the majority of his most memorable moments have come off the pitch rather than on it: the sprint down the line at Old Trafford, the ‘special one’ press conference, the celebration under the sprinklers at Camp Nou.

To many of his detractors, that is all just evidence for the argument that Mourinho has managed to manipulate an exceptionally generous media image of himself. Because, even though that last moment came after the current Barcelona’s only significant defeat in this era, the narrow semi-final win was emphatically put into perspective by the 5-0 victory over Mourinho’s Real Madrid in November 2010

And, certainly, it is highly doubtful as to whether any Mourinho team could ever achieve football as expansive or as exhilarating as the Catalans that night. Just like so many of those moments and almost every Mourinho quote, the majority of his management is calculated and mechanical.

Indeed, it’s been argued of late that Mourinho isn’t a particularly innovative or inventive manager, devoid of imagination in both his approach and tactics.

But therein lies his genius too. Despite the essential functionalism of Mourinho’s framework and formations, so good is his man-management that players often carry out their instructions to maximum and disproportionate effect. Few teams have been as driven or as focused as his Porto, Chelsea and Inter 2009-10 teams.

Adding to this, few managers have been as meticulous as Mourinho either. Because of his approach to scouting, strategy and every tiny moment that goes to making up a 90-minute game, as little is as left to chance as possible. And that has ensured that Mourinho has been the surest thing in management since the dawn of this millennium.

Without money he lifted Uniao de Leira and fired Porto to a Champions League. With it, he drove Chelsea to the two highest points-per-games record in the history of English football. While Mourinho was at Stamford Bridge, any opposition slip-up was fatal to a title tilt. And, although it is a mark against his record that he never won a European Cup with Roman Abromivich’s money, he made it up for it by emulating Happel and Ottmar Hitzfeld and winning the second of his career at Inter.

Even in the shadow of this brilliant Barcelona, he has kept his record of a trophy every season going at Real Madrid. As such, there might be much to debate about his style. But not his stats.

Career Benfica 2000; Uniao de Leiria 2001-02; FC Porto 2002-04; Chelsea 2004-07; Inter 2008-10; Real Madrid 2010-
Trophies 2 Champions Leagues; 1 Uefa Cup; 6 domestic titles (2 Portugal, 2 England, 2 Italy); 6 domestic cups

 

8. Miguel Munoz

Points 1650
Nationality Spanish

For most of the last seven decades, it’s been a great football truism that Real Madrid have never been about the manager. The position has largely just been that of a hired hand to preside over a continuing sequence of world stars. But there was one grand exception to this.

Having been in charge of Real for a total of 15 years, Miguel Munoz was is the longest-serving manager in the club’s history. And that was far from a case of just languidly overseeing great players play. Munoz had to make some tough decisions. Most notoriously, there was the call to end Alfredo Di Stefano’s career at the club in 1964.

But that still came in the middle of the club’s finest spell of domestic dominance with eight titles in 10 years. What’s more, despite the loss of such world-class stars as well as the gains the rest of Europe had made in catching up with Real, Munoz ensured they remained a continental force. The club reached a further two European Cup finals in the 1960s before a new team reclaimed the trophy in 1966.

Although Munoz endured something of a barren period after eventually leaving the Bernabeu in 1974, he came closest to ending the national team’s. Munoz delivered Spain to three successive tournaments as the Euro 84 final. For 44 long years, it was the country’s best ever performance. But it is testament to Munoz that it was far from his.

Career Real Madrid 1959; Plus Ultra 1959-60; Real Madrid 1960-74; Spain 1969; Granada 1975-76; Las Palmas 1977-79; Sevilla 1979-82; Spain 1982-88
Trophies 2 European Cups; 9 Spanish titles; 3 Spanish cups

 

7. Valeri Lobanovskiy

Points 1655
Nationality Ukrainian

“We have won the league but so what?”

It was an odd response to a mere message of congratulations. But then Valeri Lobanovskiy elaborated on his unique reasoning.

“Sometimes we played badly. We just got more points than other teams who played worse than us. I can’t accept your praise as there are no grounds for it.”

Having grown up and studied in the great Soviet age of science, Lobanovskiy’s definition of ‘perfection’ went far beyond the figurative meaning usually used in football. He meant it in a very pure mathematical sense.

It was no surprise, then, that he would go on to develop such a model for football. Analytically viewing opposing teams as “two sub-systems of 11 elements each, moving with a defined area and subject to a series of restrictions, Lobanovskiy attempted to tilt the equation towards his own sides.

Every position had set instructions to react to any given scenario. And the net result was remarkably akin to Ajax’s pressing game. So, occasionally, were the performances. In three separate spells at Dynamo Kyiv, Lobanovskiy won two Cup Winners Cups, 13 titles and – in 1999 in a much-changed Champions League – unexpectedly reached Europe’s last four. By then bringing across so many Dynamo players to the national team, he also brought similar success. Under Lobanovskiy, USSR gave their best performance in 16 years by reaching the final of Euro 88.

Ultimately, however, football is a game of far too many variables. And Lobanovskiy couldn’t control them all. As such, another USSR team failed to qualify for Euro 84. And, despite their brilliance, Dynamo never got to a European Cup final. But the stats of Lobanovskiy’s career still add up to some astonishing achievements.

Career Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk 1969-73; Dynamo Kyiv 1974-90; USSR 1975-76, 1982-83, 1986-90; UAE 1990-93; Kuwait 1994-96; Dynamo Kyiv 1997-2002; Ukraine 2000-01
Trophies 2 Cup Winners Cups; 13 domestic titles (8 USSR, 5 Ukraine); 9 domestic cups

 

6. Bob Paisley

Points 1665
Nationality English

For nine years, Paisley enjoyed a near-perfect managerial career. He remains the Champions League’s most successful coach with three trophies.

And nor was it just a case of continuing another man’s work.

Despite the foundations Bill Shankly had put in place and so much talk of the Boot Room, it is often underestimated just how much Paisley enhanced that culture. He was much more than a soft, safe pair of hands. If the history of Liverpool between 1959 and 1990 was one long period of evolution, Paisley’s appointment marked something of a Cambrian explosion.

As stated elsewhere on this site, he turned a club that were regular winners into relentless winners. And he did so by unveiling an authoritative streak underneath an initially avuncular and occasionally incoherent exterior.

While not a Churchillian motivator, he had an understated understanding of psychology which got the very best out of the vast majority of his players. Likewise, Paisley was often loath to discuss ‘tactics’. “I didn’t talk tactics because I wasn’t taught tactics. I was merely advised on certain things about my game.”

But that couldn’t cover an innate comprehension of the flow of a game. As Liverpool historian Paul Tomkins has argued “a big part of Paisley’s great tactical brilliance was knowing which players were needed and where they would fit into the team.”

This revealed itself in two areas. On a micro scale, there was his advanced acumen on how to use substitutes. David Fairclough’s super-sub reputation was as much down to Paisley’s nuanced knowledge of how a game would flow as the striker’s own qualities.

On a macro level, there were the continental performances. Paisley gave Liverpool a much more patient and poised approach which resulted in Liverpool’s first European Cup and his own record of three separate trophies. That remains his strongest argument to be considered the greatest coach of all time.

But there are two reasons why he isn’t. Firstly, despite the magnificence of that European Cup record, his season-to-season performances were actually quite mixed. In six seasons competing for the trophy, Liverpool went out in the opening round twice.

But, while that may seem like a very minor caveat, there remains the larger one that he never repeated such success in any other job. And, yes, that may well be down to the fact he never had another job. But, despite his notable improvement of Liverpool, it remains impossible to tell how well he would have done in different circumstances. The same applies to Pep Guardiola at present.

And, as such, it’s also impossible to put Paisley on the top of any such list. But then such words could also be used to describe his scarcely believable run of trophies.

Career Liverpool 1974-83
Trophies 3 European Cups; 1 Uefa Cup; 6 English titles; 3 domestic cups

 

5. Brian Clough

Points 1670
Nationality English

To a very significant degree, this entry should really have two names at the top – that of Clough and Peter Taylor. Certainly, it’s no coincidence that his greatest achievements came when his co-manager was complementing his qualities. Or that his worst failures – Leeds United – arrived when his erstwhile assistant was absent.

Such was the overwhelming force of Clough’s personality, however, that it has taken belated accounts like the film of The Damned United to properly write Taylor back into the narrative. But it’s not just that notable charisma that makes Clough so unique.

Although Otto Rehhagel later emulated Clough’s achievement of taking two provincial teams from the second division to a major domestic title – as he did with Derby and Nottingham Forest – no other manager has taken a promoted side to the continent’s prime trophy. And that Clough actually retained the European Cup while doing it all in such quick succession – four years between Second Division and second European Cup – makes it all the more incredible.

To a certain extent, that success was dependent on the circumstances of the time: football’s less dramatic economics, the greater variety in competition. But, also, Clough’s magnificent man-management.

On once taking a cop of Sigmund Freud’s The Psychopathology of Everyday Life off biographer Duncan Hamilton, Clough inadvertently revealed exactly how he did it.

“I don’t need a boring book by Freud to show me how to [read people]. I’ve been doing it since day one in management. I can tell, from the moment I see someone in the dressing room, whether he’s off colour, had a row with his missus, kicked the cat or just doesn’t fancy it that particular day. I know who needs to have his arse kicked. I know who needs leaving alone to get on with it… It’s a special kind of coaching done only by very, very good managers – like me. The art of management is knowing your own players, and I’m not talking about whether someone has a better right foot than left. I’m talking about really knowing them, knowing what sort of person you’ve got on your hands.

“And I don’t remember Freud winning a European Cup final.”

To many, the fact that Clough’s major successes actually ended at that last European Cup final detracts from his reputation. From 1980, he only ever won another two League Cups. But, to Hamilton, this period actually represented an achievement that was equal to his earlier alchemy. Having endured the breakdown of his relationship with Taylor, he then endured the complete breakdown of Forest’s finances. On the verge of bankruptcy, Clough had to do more than balance the books. And, despite the budget of a Third Division team, he did more. He built another side that challenged for the title.

“Clough reckoned that the creation of a new team was equal to his winning two Championships with different clubs. He didn’t think that either of the managers he most admired, Bill Shankly or Jock Stein, would have been able to match what he had done in such circumstances.”

But it’s for more reasons than that that he is above them in this list.

Career Hartlepools United 1965-67; Derby County 1967-73; Brighton and Hove Albion 1973-74; Nottingham Forest 1975-93
Trophies 2 European Cups; 2 English titles; 4 league cups

 

4. Giovanni Trapattoni

Points 1970
Nationality Italian

Had Giovanni Trapattoni not been so intransigent, then his trophy haul might be even more spectacular. An effective slave to the lop-sided il gioco all’Italiana formation in his early managerial career, that devotion meant Trapattoni had no answer to Ernst Happel’s simple positional switch in the 1983 European Cup final. With the elementary transfer of Hamburg’s Lars Bastrup from the left to the right, Juventus’s Angelo Cabrini was unable to roam forward and Marco Tardelli was all at sea. But, because such a move was unheard of in Italian football, Trapattoni stuck with the tried and tested. And Felix Magath ran through the gap to score the only goal.

Such conservatism has been a criticism directed at Trapattoni throughout his career. Most notably in international football as his Italy got no further than a World Cup last-16 and Ireland a play-off.

But the opposite side of that is that it is the application within such self-defined parameters that has propelled Trapattoni’s success. He is one of a select band to have won a league title in four different countries and the only manager to have won all three Uefa trophies with the same club.

By applying a similar framework to each side and then relentlessly enforcing discipline, the results have often been resounding. As the game has moved on since his heyday, such abilities are probably no longer enough to win the biggest trophies. But it remains a testament to his quality that they keep his sides so competitive.

Trapattoni may often refuse to change his mind. But there’s no changing that exceptional record.

Career Milan 1974, 1976; Juventus 1976-86; Inter 1986-91; Juventus 1991-94; Bayern Munich 1994-95; Cagliari 1995-96; Bayern Munich 1996-98; Fiorentina 1998-2000; Italy 2000-04; Benfica 2004-05; Stuttgart 2005-06; Red Bull Salzburg 2006-08; Ireland 2008-
Trophies 1 European Cup; 3 Uefa Cups; 1 Cup Winners Cup; 10 domestic titles (7 Italy, 1 Germany, 1 Portugal, 1 Austria); 3 domestic cups

 

3. Ottmar Hitzfeld

Points 1980
Nationality German

Lothar Matthaus isn’t exactly one for compliments. Which is why it’s saying something that they were all he had for Ottmar Hitzfeld. “He’s by the far the best manager of my football life.”

Of course, Matthaus had been comforted by Hitzfeld in the worst moment of his football life: Bayern Munich’s painfully late 2-1 defeat to Manchester United in the 1999 Champions League final. It is to Hitzfeld’s eternal credit that he managed to lift the core of that side to go and claim the trophy just two years later.

But, by that stage, Hitzfeld had made a habit of such feats. Early in his career in Switzerland he had restored Aurau to respectability and won the domestic cup before breaking Grasshoppers’ six-year title duck. Finally back in his native Germany, then, he ended an even longer drought for Borussia Dortmund. Hitzfeld guided the club to their first league title in three decades before winning another and then a first Champions League. And, in doing so, he also forged one of the longest-lasting threats to Bayern Munich’s hegemony.

Of course, within two years, he would then raise that to levels not seen since the ’70s. Hitzfeld was recently voted the best coach Bayern ever had and also the greatest in the history of the Bundesliga.

Career SC Zug 1983-84; FC Aarau 1984-88; Grasshoppers 1988-91; Borussia Dortmund 1991-97; Bayern Munich 1998-2004, 2007-08; Switzerland 2008-
Trophies 2 Champions Leagues; 9 domestic titles (7 Germany, 2 Switzerland); 8 domestic cups

 

2. Helenio Herrera

Points 2060
Nationality Argentine

Helenio Herrera didn’t quite land from the heavens to take charge of his teams. But he probably would have liked everyone to believe he did. Going by titles like ‘The Saviour’, ‘The Magician’ and ‘The Wizard’, Herrera had some equally outlandish techniques.

Before continental matches, he would gather his players in a circle and walk into the centre with a pristine white ball in his hands. The squad would then extend their fingers towards it and chant “It’s the European Cup! We must have it! We shall have it! Ah! Ah! Ah!”

Really though, despite the cynicism of the likes of Ladislao Kubala, Herrera’s idiosyncrasies were evidence of a manager ahead of his time. He was fastidious about diet and fitness while the rituals were actually primitive examples of sports psychology.

When all of that was applied to a promising core of players, the results were revolutionary. So revolutionary, in fact, that many accused Herrera of trickery and outright doping. Critical journalists called him “the pharmacy cup coach”. Herrera always claimed such accusations came because doubters simply didn’t have the imagination to do what he did.

But the later allegations at Inter Milan in the ’60s were a little harder to wave away. And the murmurs of match-fixing added to the generally malevolent air of Herrera’s greatest side. As well as such skulduggery, there was the ruthlessness and rigid football. Herrera might have created a supreme team, but also a very suspect one.

Yet there’s also a certain irony to the fact he has become most associated with such a notionally defensive side. Because, just before then, he had created one of the most awesome attacking forces the game has seen. And mostly thanks to his own innovations. By placing inside-forwards in the normally defensive wing-half positions at Barcelona, matches would be turned into massacres.

By the end of the 1958-59 season, Barcelona had scored 96 goals in 30 games as they romped to the Spanish league. In the next campaign’s European Cup then, they put eight past CDNA Sofia, seven past Milan and nine past Wolves as they also retained the title. The only problem was that demanded a response from a chastened Real – particularly after being routed in the league. Madrid would gain their revenge in the match that mattered most – the European Cup semi-final. Herrera lost the match and then his job.

But, as well as changing country, Herrera also changed his approach. And, in doing so, he also became to only manager to enjoy such stunning achievements despite so radically altering his style. In that, there’s arguably no better proof of his prowess. Herrera didn’t have to rely on a set formation or philosophy. Rather he adapted to every scenario with emphatic effect. Even the titles at Barca were preceded by two at Atletico Madrid. And, since then, there have been very few coaches who have followed him.

Career Puteaux 1944-45; Stade Francais 1945-48; Real Valladolid 1948-49; Atletico Madrid 1949-52; Malaga 1952; Deportivo La Coruna 1953; Sevilla 1953-56; Os Belenenses 1956-58; Barcelona 1958-60; Inter 1960-68; Roma 1968-70; Inter 1973-74; Rimini 1978-79; Barcelona 1979-81
Trophies 2 European Cups; 1 Fairs Cup; 7 domestic titles (4 Spain, 3 Italy); 3 domestic cups

 

1. Alex Ferguson

Points 2780
Nationality Scottish

To properly put a list of achievements as lengthy as Alex Ferguson’s into context, it’s possibly best to illustrate the other careers that his own encompasses.

First of all, he did a Brian Clough by breaking the Old Firm’s dominance of Scotland with Aberdeen and even winning a Cup Winners Cup with them. The Real Madrid side he beat in the final had reached the same stage of the European Cup just two years before.

Secondly, he emulated Matt Busby and Bill Shankly by transforming Manchester United from a faded giant to a modern super-club. For those that cavil at the resources Ferguson has enjoyed in contrast to those past masters, it’s worth reflecting that he helped create them.

Finally, he has long surpassed the likes of Bob Paisley, Giovanni Trapattoni and Miguel Munoz as a thoroughly relentless trophy winner.

Indeed, there’s an interesting parallel between Ferguson’s time at United and that of Liverpool’s two giants.

Collectively, Shankly and Paisley were at Liverpool for 24 years. In that time, they won three European Cups, nine domestic titles, two Uefa Cups, two FA Cups and three league cups.

By comparison, Ferguson has been at Old Trafford for 25 years. In that time, he’s won two Champions Leagues, 12 domestic titles, a Cup Winners Cup, five FA Cups and four league cups. If anything, it illustrates the astonishing breadth of Ferguson’s career.

Paisley, of course, has that extra European Cup that Ferguson doesn’t. And it’s that continental record that has always been the one major caveat to his CV. But, when pointed out, it’s also usually a caveat devoid of proper context.

After all, Ferguson has still won as many European trophies in total as any other manager. What’s more, the exact length of his career has thrown up an unprecedented number of challenges. Having finally overcome the hangover from the Heysel ban, Ferguson then created his greatest teams during the most competitive period of the Champions League’s history. As barely needs repeating, no club has retained the trophy since Ferguson first entered the competition. They days of racking up rallies are long gone.

And yet, still, Ferguson might have forged the European Cup’s greatest record had it not been for the rise of one its greatest teams. A brilliant Barcelona have now denied him twice. How Ferguson reacts to that challenge is going to be revealing.

Because, so far, his career has been characterised by eventually beating off all-comers: the Old Firm, Kenny Dalglish’s Blackburn, Kevin Keegan’s Newcastle, Arsene Wenger’s Arsenal, Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea, Carlo Ancelotti’s Chelsea. He’s won almost every trophy possible in almost every way possible: with adventure, with caution, by romping home, by just making it over the line, with power, with poise. No other has proved as durable, as adaptable, as dogged or – ultimately – as successful. The fact he’s still competing for the game’s top prizes three decades after winning his first is the ultimate evidence of that. And the caveat that he’s not finished yet makes it all the more formidable.

Career East Sterlingshire 1974; St Mirren 1974-78; Aberdeen 1978-86; Scotland 1985-86; Manchester United 1986-
Trophies 2 Champions Leagues; 2 Cup Winners Cups; 15 domestic titles (12 England, 3 Scotland); 14 domestic cups

 

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MatthewDavies
MatthewDavies

What a biased piece on Ferguson ha ha ha ha ha everyone knows he DIDN'T and NEVER WILL match Paisley's trophies per season record and that's why he is such a bitter loser.  He will never beat LFC :-)

JerryHiggins86
JerryHiggins86

The thing most people ignore (or forget) about Fergie's European record is that the illegality of the Champions League rules in the 1990s weakened his United team. UEFA only allowed 2 foreign players per match day squad so he had to chose two out of Keane, Irwin, Cantona, Schmeichel, Kanchelskis to mention 5. This in turn did strenghten United in the future because the Nevilles, Beckham, Scholes, et al were thrown into European games because they had to.

MUckcRAcKER
MUckcRAcKER

As per my previous post assertion, Fergie is definitely not the Greatest!

 

A fair assessment of Fergie's Football Manager's Abilities is to gauge his success rate against his European/International Counterparts .

 

Fergie's success domestically comes from the fact that he is at the richest club dominating the PL to wit rapaciously raiding & weakening his domestic rivals  of its Marquee players (Rio, Rooney, Carrick, RVP et al).

Fergie is also well known for his legendary abuses & rants  of FA officials (Fined & disciplined for his recalcitrant behaviour)  to wit his 

Sending Off (MU players being sent off) or Penalties conceded or awarded in favour of MU.

 

Take away his domestic titles, ceteris paribus,

Fergie managerial record is not better than the likes of Dettmar Cramer,  Heynckes, Carlo Ancelotti, Hitzfeld, Brian Clough, Arrigo Sacchi, Happel, Herrera et al.

MUckcRAcKER
MUckcRAcKER

Its 2 years since this thread was posted & updated by the Author.

 

As the 'Devil's Advocate' one has to scrutinize or validates the assertions herein.

The last 2 seasons Fergie was Poor in European Campaigns.

Fergie's MU team was dumped out of the Minnows group & got KO by a real CL team this season.

 

In 26 YEARS  of LONGEVITY and at the Richest Club in PL History Fergie's European record is poor. Fergie  lacked EUROBILITY.

 

2 EC/CL titles when you compared to the likes of Pep (2 Titles in 4 yrs) , Paisley (3 in 9 yrs)  and more than 10 Great Managers (2 CL titles <20 years).

 

Fergie's record is equivalent to a striker having 2 goals in 26 Appearances. That's unacceptable based on his 26 years of longevity @ the richest club

 

All the domestic league titles or Honours?  

The Lion share of it is  expected from any manager @ the richest club of any League to wit

Old Firm in SPL,

Milan in Serie A,

RM/Barca in la liga or

MU in PL

 

Besides EUROBILITY  What's also important is tactical nous &  head to head results against his PEERS.

 

To wit in recent 11vs11 matches, MU team were beaten or humiliated by the likes of RM's City or RB Chelsea.

 

Don't Mistake Longevity for Talent or Greatness!

 

 

 

 

smithsim
smithsim

jelous twats 47 trophies and has beat cancer 5 times the closest i know to that is 26 fuck u all

Akiak
Akiak

Enjoyed the list, although I do think Rinus Michels is still the best of all time and deserves a much higher spot.

surutusurutu
surutusurutu

How can Carlos Bilardo a world cup winner in 1986 and a world cup runner up in 1990 be in 50th place while Alex Ferguson who never won a world cup match is 1st 

thefootballfan
thefootballfan

Ferguson does not know how to beat messi so he is shit

yahyohon87
yahyohon87

where is Tele Santana, Frens Bekkenbaur?!

yahyohon87
yahyohon87

* he make revolution (sorry, my english so bad)

yahyohon87
yahyohon87

I think R.michels is 1 st without no doubt, he's revolution in football,  he/s genius, 

 

2 nd Heleno Herrera, he's 1 st coach began playing countar attack in football

 

3rd Pep Guardiola

HarveyRayson
HarveyRayson

Vanderlei Luxemburgo? He won 5 Brazilian Serie A's, 13 Brazilian state championships, a Copa America, a Brazilian Serie B and a Brazilian Cup?

Ian9999
Ian9999

What about George Ramsay? 6 league and 6 FA cups alone should put him in the 20's. I imagine it would be hard to come up with figures for points 2 and 3 from your "how it works" page but surely he deserves a mention at least. Herbert Chapman gets in with 4 league and 2 FA and he was operating at the same time.

James Hutchfull
James Hutchfull

Understood, hence my comment! What lists are coming up?

Football Pantheon
Football Pantheon

It's only an opening for discussion/debate lads, not definitive!

nismoz
nismoz

@ ADAM BROWN . AND SO WHAT IF HE WON INTER A CL IN 45 YEARS. HITZFIELD WON DORTMUND THEIR FIRST EVER CL, HIDDINK WON PSV THEIR FIRST EVER CL WHATS SO SPECIAL BOUT WINNING CL IN 45 YEARS. INTER MILAN HAS ALWAIS BEEN IN THE CL YEAR AFTER YEAR. UR ARGUMENTS ARE JUST WEAK. MOURINHO NEVER CREATED THAT SIDE FROM SCRATCH COZ NEARLY ALL THE PLAYERS WERE ALREADY THERE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

nismoz
nismoz

Mate are u joking about mourinho!?!? Porto FC had 10 Portugal international players in that 2004 CL final lineup! If he was truly great he would of won Portugal La liga with Uniao de Leira. At chelsea, he squandered no less than 500million pounds in those 3.5 years and the only result he could manage was 2 EPL titles. Ferguson/Wenger did way better than him with half as much money spent on transfers, not only that they built several different sides throughout the decade. Mourinho could never produce his own players maintain longetivity. At Inter, his only main competitor was AS ROMA coz Juventus got relegated n AC Milan/Fiorentina/Lazio started off minus points in serie A table... wonder why he left Inter so soon? maybe coz he wasnt so great building sides other than given large transfer money to buy his way to a title or two. Inter Milan could never offer the kinda money RM offer him and yes he still sux coz he has the most expensive team in the world at RM but still cant manage to win Barcelona! His career stats against Barcelona stands 4W/6D/10L for a winning percantage of 20%, u wanna call that special?? Not so special if u sum it up all the money he has spent in those 4 clubs hes been at! Winning 2 CL is a achievement but at what kinda cost!? Hitzfield did it wit Dortmund and Bayern at the pinnacle of the world game in the mid-late 90s when Italian league was the benchmark of world football. But Mourinho had such a great side (10 of his porto players played for Portugal at Euro 04) people who has a brain can tell u that Mourinho isnt so great or innovative at what he does. He uses the same players same tactics over n over again and yes he can win all the crap teams but when it comes to the real deal, he stands in their shadow n the only excuses for those losses is OH REF CHEATED!

adamrhbrown
adamrhbrown

Definitely the best of your lists so far. One big debate is how a man as successful as Fergie can still be so denigrated. His comparative lack of tactical acumen may have been a barrier towards Man Utd creating a true European dynasty (well that and Messi's influence at Barcelona), but I cannot think of many other figures who would last a quarter of a century in such a top job. (Particularly interesting to compare his career with his good friend and fellow 'New Firm' boss, Jim McLean, who slowly drove himself insane with his commitment to the job.) Of course he has it easier than most in acquiring good players, but he has rarely bought already-established stars and there are countless examples of lesser figures struggling to control six-figure egos, let alone for so long.

Interesting to see you rate Ottmar Hitzfeld so highly. Even as a kid, seeing his name and face come up so often, I've long felt he's been underappreciated in Britain. Cloughie of course remains football's most enduring enigma. Taylor's name should always follow his though.

Hope something can be done to fix the difficulty international managers currently have on your system. Seeing as how everybody acknowledges the vital differences between the two jobs though, maybe it would be best to split club and country gaffers, as you've already done for teams.

Controversial opinion for this list - personally think Sacchi is a better self-publicist than a coach.

latofils
latofils

I really don't understand why vittorio pozzo never enters anyone's list this days we are talking about the greatest international managers and the inventor of the metodo system

Football Pantheon
Football Pantheon

It's certainly something we'd look into in the future. Also thinking of getting people to do well-argued rebuttals of our lists.

Derek Hopper
Derek Hopper

If you're looking for other writers I'd love to contribute something. I'm thinking a 10,000 word piece on the Ajax team of the early 70s.

Derek Hopper
Derek Hopper

My favourite manager-related story is when Shevchenko flew out to Kiev after he won the Champer's League and put his medal on the statue of Lobanovsky. Beautiful.

Football Pantheon
Football Pantheon

Walter's in the managers that just missed out. Couldn't complement domestic success with continental and didn't exactly do great job at Everton.

Football Pantheon
Football Pantheon

It's only an opening for discussion/debate lads, not definitive!

pet food brands
pet food brands

Mr. Bob Paisley and Sir Alex Ferguson are doing great in their respective teams and they are good manager indeed!

tangerine
tangerine

As a humble but proud Dundee United fan I started scouring this list looking for two words: Jim McLean.

...until I realised Arsene Wenger was at 29!

myhealth
myhealth

Bob Paisley and Sir Alex Ferguson are both good manager, the only difference in them is that they are in different teams, so far as i read in wiki's information that Paisley had a total 14 competitions of won and Ferguson had total 34 competitions won, nothing really bad actually both did a great job.

mark85
mark85

Re- Roger Sanford

Although true the old European Cup was a straight knockout tournament, apart from the group stages , the last 16 stages to the final in the current format is also a knockout tournament, so Ferguson teams would not of been knocked out in the early rounds in his successful Champions League seasons because his teams would of faced the same knockout football as Paisley's teams did. Also in the Group Stages each team have to play each other home and Away with only the best teams in that group qualifying for the knockout stages so again Ferguson's teams would not of being knocked out. Also it could be argued in the current format you have to play Knock out cup football as well as a league format, making it harder to win than a straight knock out competition.

RogerSanford
RogerSanford

its worth pointing out that the Champions Leauge is just that....a league...whereby you can afford to lose and still win the tournament. When Bob Paisley won the competition it was a straight knock out affair. If you lost over two legs..that was it. Ask yourself this....how many times would Sir Alex have guided his team to the latter stages or the final if it was still a knock out cup? I'm willing to bet that even in the years when they have done well in the Champs League that they would have been knocked out in the old format.

Further endorsing the fact that winning the European Cup 3 times in such a short period of time is one hell of an achievement

jeropim
jeropim

It's absurd. The difference between a World Cup and a European Cup are only 30 points? Why the Champions League score much better than the Copa Libertadores, if matches between both champions are historically equal? No points for second places? It's for far the more Eurocentric rank I've ever seen.

francis
francis

Just a question here, wwhere does the Sottish League rank during the era of Jock Stein ?

mark85
mark85

Re-Crvena Zvezda

As Bob Paisley said himself winning the league title is the ultimate achievement, and Fergie has won 15 League titles to Paisley 6. Whilst also winning more titles in a 9 year period (92-2001) than Paisley did in his reign as Liverpool manager, by seven League titles to six.

Also as you pointed out the FA Cup was taken more seriously in the past, as a reason why Paisley didn't win it, well Ferguson did win the FA Cup in this period with both Aberdeen in the 1980's and Manchester United in the early 1990's, winning 9 FA Cups from 12 Finals, as opposed to one final reached by Paisley's Liverpool. Also you state that teams didn't often win both the League and FA Cup double in the same season, but Ferguson has won both the League and FA Cup with Aberdeen in 1984, Manchester United in 1994, 1996 and 1999, whilst winning three FA Cups in a row with Aberdeen in 1982, 1983 and 1984.

True Sir Alex Ferguson hasn't always taken the League Cup as seriously as perharps he should of done, but his record in the competition is still phenomenal as in his career with United and Aberdeen he has won 5 League Cups and reached 10 finals overall. Also no manager has won more League Cups in England than Sir Alex Ferguson with 4 victories only Brian Clough can equal him with 4 Victories, whilst no manager has appeared in more English League cup finals with Ferguson reaching 7 finals.

Also the argument of how many trophies of Paisley won if he stayed in charge longer is irrelevant as at the end of the day although i agree with you he most likely would of won more trophies he didn't stay in charge and he didn't win the trophies Ferguson did.

Paisley deserves credit for being the only manager to win three European Cups but their were less games to play to win the European Cup back then, as you only had to play 9 games to win the competition as opposed to 13 nowadays and 7 games in there 1978 success after recieving a bye. Also the standard of team were not as good as highlighted in my previous post, true they may of been good teams at that time but not up to the standard of teams today.

Also you highlight the role of SKY or Champions League benefactors or owners, in Ferguson and United's success, Manchester United have benefited from money from SKY and the Champions League, but then again so have all the other top teams, United have only benefited more so because of there success on the pitch. Also SKY and the Champions League benefactors don't buy United the players and manage them like Ferguson has, whilst Ferguson had many successes before the Glaziers took over United and in truth they have put United in hundreds of millions of pounds of debt.

Crvena Zvezda
Crvena Zvezda

Re-mark85
Ferguson won more league titles than Paisley because he has had 25 years in which to do it. Yes Ferguson has won FA Cups where Paisley didn't, when Paisley was manager of Liverpool the FA Cup was a close second to the League Title and carried a lot of weight in the English game, very rarely did one club side win both in the same season, Liverpool usually won the title.
The League Cup was also a competition which clubs took very seriously and Paisley managed to win that in 1981, 1982 & 1983.
If Paisley had have carried on at Anfield who know how many more trophies he would have won?
I reiterate my point that Paisley won three European Cups in five seasons with teams made up almost entirely of British & Irish players, no expensive foreign imports, no Sky or Champions League cash cows, no foreign benefactors.
It is no coincidence that when the Sky money machine took hold of the English game Manchester United came to the fore.

mark85
mark85

Re- Crvena Zvezda

Bob Paisley was undoubtedly a great manager who has won one more Champions League than Sir Alex Ferguson he hasn't got a better overall record than the Scotsman.

Ferguson's record is superior in almost every department; he has won more League Titles, more domestic cups to add to the fact that Paisley never won an FA Cup whilst Ferguson has won nine in his career at Manchester United and Aberdeen. Ferguson has also appeared in more Champions League finals than Paisley did against stronger opposition. Also Ferguson has won the league on three occasion twice, something which Paisley never achieved whilst also winning seven championships in nine seasons between 92-93 and 2000-01 season beating Paisleys achievements in winning six championships in nine seasons. Also Ferguson teams have reached 28 major finals winning 18, compared to Paisley teams reaching 9 major finals winning 7.

Ferguson also has the ability to move with the times as his 37 year management career testifies to and his record of over 2,000 games and 1,100 wins shows. Football today is a very different game to the one he came to in 1974, as the pressures from the media and fans is much more than it was back then and also he has had to change his style to deal with footballers who are multi-millionaires before they reach their 20's this is something Paisley didn't have to deal with. Ferguson also has had to rebuild his team once he believes the previous one has fullfilled it's potential, with the scotsman doing this on four or five occassions in his reign at Old Trafford bringing through Youth players like Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and the Neville brothers something again Paisley didn't do.

Also Ferguson has proved he can win at all levels as proved with his success at Aberdeen, winning league titles against Rangers and Celtic and winning European trophies beating the likes of Bayern Munich and Real Madrid to do so, again this is something Paisley never did, and only the likes of Brian Clough can surpass Ferguson here.

Also people say Ferguson has bought his successes, true he has spent a lot of money but so has every other team, and also the money he has spent has being generated by success on it and good financial work of it (Until the Glaziers took over) unlike certain teams who have being millions of pounds in debt and bankrolled by a sugar daddy owner.

Paisley also inherited a great team from Bill Shankly that had won a league, FA Cup and a UEFA Cup in the two seasons before Paisley took charge in a position similar to Guardioula in todays game, although Paisley was the assistant he deserves some of the credit the buck stops with the top man. Were as Ferguson inherited a team with a drink problem and a team that although capable of finishing in the top three or four and winning a cup was a million miles away from winning the league as 20 years without a title shows. Although Ferguson was fortunate he was given time to build his legacy at United something which wouldn't be allowed in today's climate.

Finally Liverpool fans claim that if Paisley had stayed at Anfield as long as Ferguson he would of won 10 European Cups, at the end of the day he didn't and there would be no guarantees he would of won as many European Cups or as many trophies as Ferguson. Also is winning against the likes of Crusaders, Trabzonpsor, oulu Palloseura and receiving a Bye in the first round of their 1978 success really up there with winning the likes of Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Chelsea like Man. Utd have under Ferguson.

Paisley was a great manager but in no way a better manager than Ferguson.

Regista_blog
Regista_blog

Another fascinating piece of work, but where the hell is Graham Taylor? Eh? EH? I don't care what methodology you used, any man who can take Watford from the 4th tier to the 1st, and finish runners up to Liverpool, get them to the FA Cup final, and beat Kaiserslautern in the UEFA cap, should be on that list. But, maybe I'm a wee bit biased.

Interesting to note that Eng are currently managed by the 17th greatest manager in history. And yet everyone thinks he's rubbish and doesn't know what he's doing. What does that say about English football?

Crvena Zvezda
Crvena Zvezda

How can you compare Shankly & Paisley combined at Liverpool with Ferguson's reign at Old Trafford ?
When Shankly joined Liverpool they were at the foot of the second division, when Ferguson joined Manchester United they had spent the previous eight seasons finishing in the top five in the first division.
If you want to slice and dice stats:-
Paisley won three European Cups in five seasons while Ferguson won two in twenty five seasons.
While Paisley's teams comprised of British & Irish players, Ferguson's United sides were full of the most expensive players money could buy, from the four corners of the earth.
No comparrison really !

crza
crza

Bobby Robson better than Howard Kendall? Dream on.

waldenserio
waldenserio

*pedant alert* Herbert Champan won THREE titles with both Huddersfield and Arsenal. Sorry. Great article though!

josephsbcn
josephsbcn

Another excellent an exhaustive piece! What do you have planned for the Football Pantheon next Miguel?

mark85
mark85

What about Manuel Jose de Jesus?

1 Portuguese Second Division title, 1 Portuguese Cup with Boavista and 4 CAF Champions League, 6 Egyptian Championships and 2 Egyptian Cups with Al-Ahly

tonypreece
tonypreece

What about Kenny Dalglish?

3 league trophies with Liverpool and one with Blackburn (120 pts each), 2 FA Cups with Liverpool (60 each), and a Scottish Cup with Celtic (40). Add to that when he took charge at Blackburn, Rovers finished 19th in Division 2 the previous season, 5th for the two seasons prior to that. Take it from 5th.. He guided Rovers from 27th to 1st in England in 4 years. 27 x 30 bonus points = 810. A total of 1,450 points (15th place).

That doesn't include any bonus points from #4, nor does it add or take any points from #3, but if you were to apply the 65% rule he'd still be on 942 (41st place).

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