The 50 greatest managers of all time

Spanish coach Vicente del Bosque

Providing balance has been the key to Vicente Del Bosque's successes

50. Carlos Bilardo

Points 810
Nationality Argentine

Many of the great managers would certainly have been able to empathise with the Argentine World Cup winner.

“I like being first,” Bilardo once proclaimed rather plainly. “Because second is no good. Being second is a failure. For me it’s good that if you lose you should feel bad. I’d feel very bad if we lost a match and that night I’m seen out eating calmly in some place. I can’t allow it.”

Not quite so many of those managers would be able to appreciate Bilardo’s exact style though. Because he finished that statement with his effective mantra “Shows are for the cinema, for the theatre… football is played to win.”

Infamously, he would go to most lengths to do so. Indeed, Bilardo’s reductive approach came to represent one side of the great Argentine football debate of the ’70s and ’80s. His pragmatism against Cesar Menotti’s purism. End result against entertainment.

Bilardo’s teams were often unattractive and ugly to watch. The two red cards his Argentina team received in the 1990 World Cup final were only reflective of his own football upbringing at the notoriously aggressive Estudiantes of the ’60s.

But, despite his dogma, Bilardo didn’t actually win that often. In truth, the only genuinely successful period of his career lasted no more than a decade. First, when he returned Estudiantes to the peak of Argentine domestic football over 1982-83, then when he took over the national team and Diego Maradona.

As Jonathon Wilson wrote in Inverting the Pyramid, “presenting one of the most system-driven managers of all time with arguably the greatest individual player of all time could have been one of football’s great ironies; as it turned out, it simply inspired Bilardo to the last great formational change” – wing-backs.

The formation allowed Maradona to roam free and thereby single-footedly rule a tournament. Bilardo’s inspired move was just enough to win the 1986 World Cup final and get to the final four years later. And, despite failures at Colombia and even his own Estudiantes, it also proved just enough to get him on this list.

Career Estudiantes 1973-76, Deportivo Cali 1976-78, San Lorenzo 1979, Colombia 1979-81, Estudiantes 1982-83, Argentina 1983-90, Sevilla 1992-93, Boca Juniors 1996, Guatemala 1998
Trophies 1 World Cup; 2 domestic titles


49. Emerich Jenei

Points 830
Nationality Romanian

A manager that broke ground in a very understated way.

With 17 minutes of the 1986 European Cup final left and the score at 0-0, Barcelona were finally beginning to force the matter. By contrast, Steaua Bucharest were starting to look fragile for the first time.

It was at exactly that moment, however, that Jenei – one of football’s great thinkers – had an epiphany. Although his nominal assistant manager Anghel Iordanescu had not played a minute all season, Jenei realised that the midfielder’s poised passing style would have a calming effect on Steaua. It did. And the team and keeper Helmuth Duckadam famously kept their cool in the shoot-out as Barcelona collapsed.

As such, a substitution that has since gone down as a masterstroke delivered eastern Europe’s first ever European Cup.

In truth, of course, very different kinds of strokes delivered Jenei’s five domestic titles. The corruption of the Ceausescu regime will always stain Steaua’s league records.

Jenei himself, however, would again prove his own managerial ability on the international stage. Having broken one duck for eastern Europe as a whole in 1986, he broke another for his country in 1990. At the World Cup in Italy, he guided Romania beyond the opening round of a tournament for the first time in their history. And he would follow it in Euro 2000 by taking them to the quarter-finals. It remains the country’s best ever international performance.

Career Steaua Bucharest 1975-78; FC Bihor Oradea 1978-79; CS Targoviste 1981-82; Steaua Bucharest 1984-86; Romania 1986-90; Steaua Bucharest 1991; Hungary 1992-93; Steaua Bucharest 1993-94, 1998-2000; Romania 2000
Trophies 1 Champions League; 5 Romanian titles; 3 domestic cups


48. Roberto Scarone

Points 835
Nationality Uruguayan

If 90% of any football match is decided on the training ground, then Scarone went as far as anyone to cover the remaining 10%. So intense were his famous training matches between Penarol’s first team and reserves that thousands of fans often flocked to watch.

The end product was an intense, combative and powerful team that won the first two Copa Libertadores. Only Pele’s Santos prevented a treble in 1962.

But, having been denied that landmark, Scarone then went and secured another. In 1972, he became the first coach to take a Peruvian club – Universitario – to the competition’s final. That followed a spell in which he won nine domestic titles across three countries.

It wasn’t all success for Scarone as he couldn’t get Peru to the 1974 World Cup while some odd tactical choices let him down at a number of other teams. But the scale of the victories outweighed such set-backs.

Career Gimnasia La Plata 1948-51; Deportivo Cali 1952-53; Centro Iqueno 1953-55; Audax Italiano 1956; Centro Iqueno 1957; Alianza Lima 1958-59; Penarol 1959-62; Uruguay 1962; Monterrey 1963-64; America 1965-66; Penarol 1966-67; Monterrey 1968; Universitario 1969-74; Peru 1972-73; Universitario 1982
Trophies 2 Copa Libertadores; 9 domestic titles (4 Peru, 4 Uruguay, 1 Mexico)


47. Tomislav Ivic

Points 840
Nationality Croatian

If not the original footballing nomad, he was the ultimate one. And he picked up a lot of trinkets along the way. Across almost 30 jobs in 14 domestic leagues and four national teams, Ivic won eight domestic titles and six cups – a trophy for every country he managed in. Indeed, the Split native prided himself on the fact he could win something in any stadium he arrived.

And, to a degree, there is no more transparent example of ‘management’: the capacity to translate your ability regardless of location or level.

Certainly, Ivic was often praised for a highly strategic mind that could weigh up any given scenario. His tactical acumen was legendary. But he applied it to other areas as well. His employment options for one. Some critics have claimed Ivic was too careful about which clubs he joined, partly explaining the extent of his trophy count. It is notable that a number of jobs came at teams who were on the crest of a wave or generally dominant anyway.

As football writer Adam Bate has also written, “it seems likely that his intense training methods had a significant impact in the short term”. Porto forward Joao Pinto said “he was the only coach who ordered me to train three times a day: before breakfast, after and in the afternoon”.

A short-term coach, there is still no denying his list of trophies is lengthy.

Career RNK Split 1967-68; Sibenek 1973-74; Hajduk Split 1973-76; Ajax 1976-78; Hajduk Split 1978-80; Anderlecht 1980-83; Galatasaray 1983-84; Dinamo Zagreb 1984-85; Avellino 1985-86; Panathinaikos 1986; Hajduk Split 1986-87; FC Porto 1987-88; Paris St Germain 1988-90; Atletico Madrid 1990-91; Marseille 1991; Benfica 1992; FC Porto 1993-94; Fenerbahce 1995; UAE 1995-96; Al Wasl 1996; Iran 1998; Standard Liege 1998-2000; Marseille 2001; Al-Ittihad Jeddah 2003-04
Trophies 8 domestic titles (3 Yugoslavia, 1 Holland, France, Belgium, Greece, Portugal); 6 domestic cups


46. Luis Carniglia

Points 870
Nationality Argentine

Having impressed the Real Madrid hierarchy during their European Cup bout with Nice in the 1956-57 season, French title-winning Carniglia was promptly hired by Santiago Bernabeu to take his team to the next level. And, for a brief time, the Argentine did exactly that. Using his defensive acumen as a player to necessarily fortify Real’s backline, Carniglia brought the club one of only two doubles they won during the five-year spell of European Cups.

However, a failure to retain the domestic title – and recognise an unfit Ferenc Puskas’s remaining quality – cost him his job.

And, having found himself in the middle of a glorious era at Real Madrid, he was too often between them at other clubs. Carniglia joined Fiorentina after they reached a European Cup final and joined Milan just after they won one. Other than a Fairs Cup at Roma, he couldn’t replicate his earlier success.

Career Nice 1955-57; Real Madrid 1957-59; Fiorentina 1959; Bari 1959-60; Roma 1961; Deportivo 1961-63; Milan 1963-64; Bologna 1964-65; Juventus 1965-68; San Lorenzo 1969-70; Bordeaux 1973
Trophies 2 European Cups; 1 Fairs Cup; 2 domestic titles (1 Spain, 1 France)


45. Carlos Alberto Parreira

Points 890
Nationality Brazilian

A career with many contradictions. Despite the public clamour to appoint Parreira as Brazil struggled to qualify for the Japan-Korea 2002, he wasn’t exactly overly popular for the two World Cups he actually presided over.

Despite ending Brazil’s 24-year wait for the trophy in 1994, Parreira was given very qualified praise for the functional style of football. In 2006, then, his stars played the kind of stuff many expected. But they were also too complacent to make it past the quarters.

Four years later, Parreira equalled Bora Milutinovic’s record of managing five different countries in a World Cup. Unlike the Serb, though, Parreira couldn’t take any of them beyond the first round except Brazil.

Most of his club success came in his home country too, although Parreira did claim a Turkish title with Fenerbahce. Ultimately, however, he is the only Brazilian coach other than Mario Zagallo to win all possible international titles. From a country that has won that much, it’s a fact that demands respect.

Career Sao Cristovao 1967-68; Ghana 1968-75; Fluminense 1975-78; Kuwait 1978-83; Brazil 1983-84; Fluminense 1984-85; UAE 1985-88; Saudi Arabia 1988-90; UAE 1990-91; Bragantino 1991; Brazil 1991-94; Fenerbahce 1995-96; Sao Paulo 1996; Saudi Arabia 1998-99; Fluminense 1999-2000; Atletico Mineiro 2000; Santos 2000; Internacional 2001-02; Corinthians 2002-03; Brazil 2003-06; South Africa 2007-08; Fluminense 2009; 2009-10 South Africa
Trophies 1 World Cup; 1 Copa America; 1 Confederations Cup; 3 domestic titles (1 Turkey, Brazil, Brazilian state); 1 domestic cup


44. Bobby Robson

Points 905
Nationality English

To a degree, Robson could be described as an incomplete imitation of Alf Ramsey. Just like his predecessor in his first two full jobs, Robson took Ipswich to unseen heights and restored England to respectability. Unlike Ramsey, though, he couldn’t win the competitions that mattered: not the league title nor World Cup.

In saying that, though, Robson managed in more competitive times and places. The English league was experiencing its greatest variety of winners when Ramsey saw victory with Ipswich while the country also hosted that famous World Cup win.

Because, on reflection, it was Robson’s achievements far away from England that saw him outstrip Ramsey. As well as the Uefa and Cup Winners Cups with Ipswich and Barcelona respectively, Robson won two domestic titles in each of Holland and Portugal. Just one more major trophy would have seen him far higher on this list. Unfortunately, he couldn’t claim one.

Career Fulham 1968; Ipswich 1969-82; England 1982-90; PSV Eindhoven 1990-92; Sporting 1992-94; FC Porto 1994-96; Barcelona 1996-97; PSV Eindhoven 1998-99; Newcastle 1999-2004
Trophies 1 Uefa Cup; 1 Cup Winners Cup; 4 domestic titles (2 Holland, 2 Portugal); 3 domestic cups


43. Guillermo Stabile

Points 910
Nationality Argentine

The king of the Copa America – or the South American championship as it was known then. Stabile won an unmatched six titles in the competition. And he did so by exemplifying Argentina’s philosophy of ‘La Neustra’ – our own. But, at a time when the country rarely played internationals outside their own continent, they became too content playing an ultra-aesthetic style.

Such insularity cost them when it came to the biggest stage. Stabile’s side were beaten 6-1 by Czechoslovakia on their return to the World Cup in 1958. Although they also “took the mickey” out of Northern Ireland in a 3-1 victory – according to midfielder Jimmy McIlroy – it was actually a sign of Stabile’s increasing flaws.

“He didn’t know about tactics,” argued historian Juan Presta. “He was too much of a romantic.”

At the least, he still had his domestic record to stand on by that stage. Allowed also manage Argentine clubs during his long spell in charge of the national team, Stabile won three consecutive titles between 1948 and 1951 – one with Huracan and two with Racing.

Career Red Star Paris 1937-39; San Lorenzo 1939-40; Argentina 1939-60; Estudiantes 1940-41; Huracan 1940-49; Racing 1949-60
Trophies 6 Copa Americas, 3 Argentine titles


42. Vicente Del Bosque

Points 920
Nationality Spanish

Modest personality, massive prizes. Four alliterative words that pretty much sum up Del Bosque.

Four years after he had been sacked by Real Madrid, the former right-back said of his management style that the “idea was that the dressing room should shed its image of having too many ‘stars’ and be more down to earth, made up of people who play football for a living, get on well with each other and are unaffected by fame… we tried to create a feeling of harmony.”

Little wonder, then, that the four years before Florentino Perez unceremoniously discarded Del Bosque were the only time since 1960 that Real balanced sustained domestic success with repeated victories in their holy grail.

Because, really, that was what Del Bosque was all about: balance.

Steve McManaman said exactly that in lionising his former coach.

“He has a very good brain in assessing what kind of footballers his players are, what kind of people we are, how we all work together. He is scrupulously fair-minded… his skill is in subtly weighing up how the team could tick.”

And, certainly, he kept Spain ticking along after the euphoric Euro 2008 victory. Because even after fatigue and pressure initially threatened to derail their 2010 World Cup, many of the players praised Del Bosque for his calm reassurance.

In that, he may have appeared hands-off. And that may well have cost him in his one true failure at Besiktas. It’s also unclear whether he can actually fire a team as opposed to just facilitate talent. But it all meant he got his hands on football’s biggest prizes.

Career Real Madrid 1999-2003; Besiktas 2004-05; Spain 2008-
Trophies 1 World Cup; 2 Champions Leagues; 2 Spanish titles


41. Raymond Goethals

Points 970
Nationality Belgian

A larger-than-life character, Goethals went by many titles and won even more. The first was ‘Le Socier’ and the early part of his career was certainly marked by alchemy. He first took lowly K Sint-Truidense to second in the Belgian league before bringing the national team to their first World Cup in a generation and third-place in Euro 72.

Later known as Columbo because of his long trench coat, it was a case of “won more thing” on joining Standard in the ’80s (with apologies for an atrocious pun). From there, he embarked on a sustained run of success which culminated in the Champions League with Marseille after three years of thrilling football. Although that final season ended in disgrace for his boss Bernand Tapie, Goethals discarded any doubts about himself by winning a final Belgian title with Anderlecht in 1993-94.

Career K Sint-Truidense VV 1959-66; Belgium 1968-76; Anderlecht 1976-79; Bordeaux 1979-80; Sao Paulo 1980-81; Standard Liege 1981-84; Vitoria 1984-85; Racing Jet Brussels 1985-87; Anderlecht 1988-89; Bordeaux 1989-90; Marseille 1991-93; Anderlecht 1994
Trophies 1 Champions League; 1 Cup Winners Cup; 5 domestic titles (3 Belgian, 2 French); 3 Belgian cups



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Akiak 5 pts

Enjoyed the list, although I do think Rinus Michels is still the best of all time and deserves a much higher spot.

surutusurutu 5 pts

How can Carlos Bilardo a world cup winner in 1986 and a world cup runner up in 1990 be in 50th place while Alex Ferguson who never won a world cup match is 1st 

nismoz 7 pts

 surutusurutu although ferguson hasnt won a world cup, but he has built so many dynasty over that 25 years period. The main factor which i think makes him stand out is the fact that when he joined Man Utd in 1987, Man Utd was nothing but a average joe in the 1st division. so it is magnificent achievement considering he built man utd reputation from "almost" scratch.

thefootballfan 6 pts

Ferguson does not know how to beat messi so he is shit

TomHawks 5 pts

 thefootballfan no mate ferguson is the best 


yahyohon87 5 pts

where is Tele Santana, Frens Bekkenbaur?!

yahyohon87 5 pts

* he make revolution (sorry, my english so bad)

yahyohon87 5 pts

I think R.michels is 1 st without no doubt, he's revolution in football,  he/s genius, 


2 nd Heleno Herrera, he's 1 st coach began playing countar attack in football


3rd Pep Guardiola

HarveyRayson 5 pts

Vanderlei Luxemburgo? He won 5 Brazilian Serie A's, 13 Brazilian state championships, a Copa America, a Brazilian Serie B and a Brazilian Cup?

Ian9999 5 pts

What about George Ramsay? 6 league and 6 FA cups alone should put him in the 20's. I imagine it would be hard to come up with figures for points 2 and 3 from your "how it works" page but surely he deserves a mention at least. Herbert Chapman gets in with 4 league and 2 FA and he was operating at the same time.

nismoz 7 pts


nismoz 7 pts

Mate are u joking about mourinho!?!? Porto FC had 10 Portugal international players in that 2004 CL final lineup! If he was truly great he would of won Portugal La liga with Uniao de Leira. At chelsea, he squandered no less than 500million pounds in those 3.5 years and the only result he could manage was 2 EPL titles. Ferguson/Wenger did way better than him with half as much money spent on transfers, not only that they built several different sides throughout the decade. Mourinho could never produce his own players maintain longetivity. At Inter, his only main competitor was AS ROMA coz Juventus got relegated n AC Milan/Fiorentina/Lazio started off minus points in serie A table... wonder why he left Inter so soon? maybe coz he wasnt so great building sides other than given large transfer money to buy his way to a title or two. Inter Milan could never offer the kinda money RM offer him and yes he still sux coz he has the most expensive team in the world at RM but still cant manage to win Barcelona! His career stats against Barcelona stands 4W/6D/10L for a winning percantage of 20%, u wanna call that special?? Not so special if u sum it up all the money he has spent in those 4 clubs hes been at! Winning 2 CL is a achievement but at what kinda cost!? Hitzfield did it wit Dortmund and Bayern at the pinnacle of the world game in the mid-late 90s when Italian league was the benchmark of world football. But Mourinho had such a great side (10 of his porto players played for Portugal at Euro 04) people who has a brain can tell u that Mourinho isnt so great or innovative at what he does. He uses the same players same tactics over n over again and yes he can win all the crap teams but when it comes to the real deal, he stands in their shadow n the only excuses for those losses is OH REF CHEATED!

adamrhbrown 5 pts

nismoz Mourinho made that Porto team from scratch with far more limited funds than he had at Chelsea. And you're being deliberately stupid to say he 'only' won two Premier League titles - he was only there for three years! And at Inter he didn't just win a weakened Serie A - he beat the side ranked 4th in FP's list of the greatest of all time and won their first European Cup in 45 years. And he'll probably win it again with Real Madrid this year.

So, he takes the big jobs. So what? Look at all the other men who fall short of his achievements with the same resources. No manager could win a major league title with a provincial club these days, not even Brian Clough. (Except perhaps in Germany.)

And finally, Mourinho has never created a dynasty, but he's not the only one on this list you can say that about. Some managers are dictators, some are wanderers. Some have been between the two. But it's not that important in evaluating their abilities.

nismoz 7 pts

adamrhbrownnismoz @adam brown, if u dont know what ur talkin about, do some research and see who were the players at Porto in season 2002-04. He inheritted most of the squad from the very beginning and Porto has always been a powerful in the early 2000s. if u have a brain there u would know EPL back in 2003-05 was by far easier to win than nowadays! Perhaps u have forgotten the only competitors back then was Man Utd and Arsenal where as now its teams like man city liverpool tottenham all have a fair crack at it. If Serie A without Juventus and AC Milan/Fiotenrina/Lazio all started off on minus points, common sence would prevail that the final standings on the seria A table would be affected?? Yes they beat Barcelona in 1st leg of the 2 leg semi final in 2010 CL, but whats his overall record against Barcelona again?? at inter, he faced barcelona 4 times for 1W/1D/2L and his overall record is by far alot worse. So buying his way to CL trophy only means that hes not innovative or bold enough to promote his own youth players and build his team around it. why did he leave Inter so soon? thats right majority of the players are nearing wrong 30s and he knows he cant build another team, thats why he ditched Inter Milan for RM.

adamrhbrown 5 pts

nismozAdam Interesting that you have ignored my main point - comparing Mourinho's record with others who have done the same jobs recently. Porto's players were not as weak as is often made out, but who else could have taken them anywhere near a Champions League triumph? Not many. How many of his Chelsea successors have struggled to match him for consistency?All of them. You may argue he took over at Inter at just the right moment, but again they weren't much use in Europe before he went there. And his overall record against Barcelona doesn't matter if he takes Real to the title and a 10th European Cup. Alex Ferguson's teams have been made to look very ordinary against Barca recently. Does that make him an overrated manager? Does it make Guardiola the best manager today? Not necessarily.

nismoz 7 pts

adamrhbrownAdam LOL @ ADAM BROWN FOR FYI 10 of Mourinhos Porto Players played for Portugal in that era. In the 2004 CL Final there was 9 portugal internationals in the starting lineup. Its like saying Barcelona has 9 players playing Spain or Vice versa. Mourinho Inheritted a Portugal national side by virtue of default and this era was by far Portugals golden era! from Euro 2000 to WC2006 they had wonderful runs in international tournaments and nearly all the Porto players in that side had already played for Portugal! The only reason why Porto didnt win another CL was coz Mourinho took all the players with him over to Chelsea and half other players all departed for other richer clubs. Same theory with Chelsea, if hes so great like he self proclaimed being the special one, how come he fuked up @ Chelsea when he had Roman's deep pockets to line up his ego!?!? Subsequent coaches in chelsea and inter all failed to match his consistency is not coz of his true ability rather its his incompetency not developing his own youth players and promote em when chances arises, he just buys all the established players for quick fixes and when they are nearing the wrong end of 30s, Mourinho jus flys the nest and goes to another club which gives him more transfer money! As i mentioned above, hes only good at buying his way to trophies for short term success when it comes to stay in one team and build a dynasty and develop his own young players and maintaining longetivity, hes no where near the same level as Guardiola/Ferguson/Wenger etc.

nismoz 7 pts


nismoz 7 pts


nismoz 7 pts

 adamrhbrown  Adam first of all, get urself some medication before you post any further comments. i know ur good at reading magazines and stats but only an idiot like you wud sit here and say he's a god coz he won inter a triple. Alot of teams in the past had won triple by beating some of the best teams of their era eg) Man Utd v Juventus in 1999, despite the fact Inter beat barcelona in 1 game (from a milito offside goal) doesn't mean they are really better. otherwise all the teams that had beaten barcelona over the past 4 years wud of been rated higher than barcelona. secondly, if you think its hard to win serie a titles in that era, think again who was the coach before Mourinho at Inter Milan? i am sure ur google search would tell u its Mr Mancini who had won 2 serie a titles before mourinho's arrival. The only difference is, Mancini had less money to spend compare to Mourinho. In Mancini's 4 years at Inter, his total spending was 108.5 million euros ( first 2 years he only spent 30 million). Compare to Mourinho's 2 years spending of 135 million euros explains why Mourinho achieved better results. Anyone wanna argue, here's the proof: 

arditspahija 5 pts

 adamrhbrown  nismoz look at him now,period,its easier to go to a team and stay there all your career,than to change teams and with every team splash it out and win everything!

nismoz 7 pts

 arditspahija  adamrhbrown I think you play too much fantasy football, if you think its easier to stay at one club n develop world class players and bring them through to first team, why doesnt mourinho do that at chelsea, inter milan or even real madrid?? or should i say it wud be so much easier if you buy every top class player from other clubs and weaken their strength so you can win all the titles?? that's effectively what mourinho did, jump around clubs and buy all the players he think will weaken his enemy! if he cud buy barcelona he wud, only idiots are kept in the dark about him getting rejected for the barcelona head coaching job in 2008!

Coach Daniel 5 pts

 nismoz Your argument is not objective at all and is totally against the progress of the game.

nismoz 7 pts

 Coach Daniel against the progress of the game? perhaps u shud explain urself in much more analytical details!??!

cfc912 5 pts

 nismoz How stupid are you? Scolari only started two players from Mourinho's Porto team at the euro 2004 in the first match and they lost. Due to outcry from fans and the media, he placed most of Mourinho's players in the next match and they won comfortably. Please, learn your facts before you speak boy.

nismoz 7 pts

 cfc912 i think ur the real retarded one, the following players were well established internationals for portugal before Mourinho even joined Porto,  Vito Baia..Paulo Ferreira..Jorge Costa..Nuno Valente...Costinho..Pedro Mendes so where the fuk did u get "Mourinho created all these players into international players for portugal???" if u have no clue on the topic go n do some research before u open ur mouth again amateur!

cfc912 5 pts

 nismoz  Please, moron, look at Scolari's team for the Euro 2004. He only started 2 or 3 Porto players and when they lost to Greece in the first match, the media and fans were in outrage and called for Mourinho's Porto players to play. And MOURINHO'S team, led them to the final.

nismoz 7 pts

 cfc912 2 or 3 porto players?? so is it 2 or 3 lol u cant even get ur own facts right n sitting here making up numbers! the main argument here is mourinho had a full team of internationals at his disposal, whether its at euro 2000, or wc 2002 or euro 2004. all those players mentioned above had played in those tournaments.Porto before mourinho's arrival was already a powerhouse so grab urself a tissue box and find urself a corner doochebag!

adamrhbrown 5 pts

Definitely the best of your lists so far. One big debate is how a man as successful as Fergie can still be so denigrated. His comparative lack of tactical acumen may have been a barrier towards Man Utd creating a true European dynasty (well that and Messi's influence at Barcelona), but I cannot think of many other figures who would last a quarter of a century in such a top job. (Particularly interesting to compare his career with his good friend and fellow 'New Firm' boss, Jim McLean, who slowly drove himself insane with his commitment to the job.) Of course he has it easier than most in acquiring good players, but he has rarely bought already-established stars and there are countless examples of lesser figures struggling to control six-figure egos, let alone for so long.

Interesting to see you rate Ottmar Hitzfeld so highly. Even as a kid, seeing his name and face come up so often, I've long felt he's been underappreciated in Britain. Cloughie of course remains football's most enduring enigma. Taylor's name should always follow his though.

Hope something can be done to fix the difficulty international managers currently have on your system. Seeing as how everybody acknowledges the vital differences between the two jobs though, maybe it would be best to split club and country gaffers, as you've already done for teams.

Controversial opinion for this list - personally think Sacchi is a better self-publicist than a coach.

latofils 5 pts

I really don't understand why vittorio pozzo never enters anyone's list this days we are talking about the greatest international managers and the inventor of the metodo system

pet food brands 6 pts

Mr. Bob Paisley and Sir Alex Ferguson are doing great in their respective teams and they are good manager indeed!

tangerine 5 pts

As a humble but proud Dundee United fan I started scouring this list looking for two words: Jim McLean.

...until I realised Arsene Wenger was at 29!

myhealth 8 pts

Bob Paisley and Sir Alex Ferguson are both good manager, the only difference in them is that they are in different teams, so far as i read in wiki's information that Paisley had a total 14 competitions of won and Ferguson had total 34 competitions won, nothing really bad actually both did a great job.

mark85 10 pts

Re- Roger Sanford

Although true the old European Cup was a straight knockout tournament, apart from the group stages , the last 16 stages to the final in the current format is also a knockout tournament, so Ferguson teams would not of been knocked out in the early rounds in his successful Champions League seasons because his teams would of faced the same knockout football as Paisley's teams did. Also in the Group Stages each team have to play each other home and Away with only the best teams in that group qualifying for the knockout stages so again Ferguson's teams would not of being knocked out. Also it could be argued in the current format you have to play Knock out cup football as well as a league format, making it harder to win than a straight knock out competition.

josephsbcn 7 pts

mark85 Not to mention that both of Ferguson's titles came off the back of unbeaten campaigns, and that the runners up campaigns in 2009 & 2011 saw them only lose in the final itself on each occasion. Makes Roger's point same plain wrong as well as illogical.

Paisley scores significant bonus points for retaining the competition in '78. Perhaps an extra bonus for winning three overall (and possibly more still as that represents an unparalleled achievement) would be in order here but that still wouldn't bring him close to Ferguson overall- would lift him above Clough to fifth, but still someway short of the likes Trappatoni, Hitzfeld, Herrera, et al.

RogerSanford 5 pts

its worth pointing out that the Champions Leauge is just that....a league...whereby you can afford to lose and still win the tournament. When Bob Paisley won the competition it was a straight knock out affair. If you lost over two legs..that was it. Ask yourself many times would Sir Alex have guided his team to the latter stages or the final if it was still a knock out cup? I'm willing to bet that even in the years when they have done well in the Champs League that they would have been knocked out in the old format.

Further endorsing the fact that winning the European Cup 3 times in such a short period of time is one hell of an achievement

josephsbcn 7 pts

RogerSanford Actually, Roger... you might find the outcome of the 50 greatest club teams on here more satisfying!

MDelaneyST 31 pts

josephsbcn RogerSanford I've just done this piece on the comparative difficulty of the old European Cup and current Champions League if interested:

(Partly sparked off by this comment!)

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Understood, hence my comment! What lists are coming up?

Football Pantheon
Football Pantheon

It's only an opening for discussion/debate lads, not definitive!

Dave Connolly
Dave Connolly

Rubbish. having Bob at 6 and Clough at 5.

Football Pantheon
Football Pantheon

It's certainly something we'd look into in the future. Also thinking of getting people to do well-argued rebuttals of our lists.

Derek Hopper
Derek Hopper

Eye-wateringly highbrow.

Derek Hopper
Derek Hopper

If you're looking for other writers I'd love to contribute something. I'm thinking a 10,000 word piece on the Ajax team of the early 70s.

Football Pantheon
Football Pantheon

Hadn't heard that story actually. Nice one.

Derek Hopper
Derek Hopper

My favourite manager-related story is when Shevchenko flew out to Kiev after he won the Champer's League and put his medal on the statue of Lobanovsky. Beautiful.

Derek Hopper
Derek Hopper

Fucking brilliant!

Football Pantheon
Football Pantheon

Walter's in the managers that just missed out. Couldn't complement domestic success with continental and didn't exactly do great job at Everton.

Michael Dore
Michael Dore

Big Jock at no.10. Wot no Walter?


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