The 50 greatest managers of all time

Rinus Michels guided the Dutch to European Championship triumph in 1988

Rinus Michels made up for the trauma of 1974 with the triumph of Euro 88

20. Bela Guttmann

Points 1340
Nationality Hungarian

If travel broadens the mind, then the otherwise irascible Bela Guttmann was good enough to return the favour.

As well as effectively creating the cult of the manager, the Hungarian has been credited with helping build the Brazilian brand of football. By centring much of the attention on a club around himself, Guttmann was free to innovate and impress on the players.

At Sao Paulo, he did so by echoing his native Hungary and installing a withdrawn playmaker. “It was only then,” as midfielder Dino Sani said of the subtle shifts, “that I really began to play.” And so did the team. Guttmann’s techniques were devised with the aim of “getting his sides playing by instinct”. And, although he eventually left with a Paulista championship medal, Vicente Feola was sufficiently intrigued to begin adapting the ideas for the 1958 World Cup. A legend was born.

Guttmann, of course, had already created his own. That job in Sao Paulo was his 16th job across nine countries. He would finish up on 25 in 13. Much of that was down to his mantra that “the third season is fatal”. A firm believer that players eventually tire of any manager no matter how good a motivator, Guttmann never stuck around long enough to find out if it was true. And that probably ensured that his overall record was more mixed than it should have been. Put in the starkest of terms, he only won nine trophies across all those jobs.

But he was willing to make an exception at the very club where he won the most. By the time his second season at Benfica had delivered a second successive European Cup in the summer of 1962, Guttman felt he might be due a bonus. The board refused and Guttmann resigned.

With that, it wasn’t just the manager that went. It was Benfica’s opportunity to truly emulate Real Madrid and Guttmann’s own to build a genuinely lasting legacy.

Like anyone with such a God complex, Guttmann moved in mysterious ways. But at least a majority of them were magnificent.

Career SC Hakoah Wien; Enschede 1935-37; Hakoah Wien 1937-38; Ujpest 1938-39; Vasas 1945; Ciocanul Bucharest 1946; Ujpest 1947; Kispest 1947-48; Padova 1949-50; Triestina 1950-51; Quilmes 1953; APOEL 1953; Milan 1953-55; Lanerossi Vicenza 1955-56; Honved 1956-57; Sao Paulo 1957-58; Porto 1958-59; Benfica 1959-62; Penarol 1962; Austria 1964; Benfica 1965-66; Servette 1966-67; Panathinaikos 1967; Austria Wien 1973; Porto 1973
Trophies 2 European Cups; 5 domestic leagues (3 Portugal, 2 Hungary); 1 Brazilian state championship; 1 domestic up

 

19. Carlos Bianchi

Points 1375
Nationality Argentine

Quite simply, the most successful club manager in South American history with an unmatched four Copa Libertadores. All the more impressively, he won them restoring declining giants to past glories.

The four major trophies Bianchi won as Velez Sarsfield manager in the mid-90s, for example, were their first since 1968. And, at the turn of the millennium he finally gave Boca Juniors the kind of Libertadores legacy a club of their size warranted with three in five years.

A meticulous manager capable of tactical masterstrokes, Bianchi’s only real – and still relative – failures came in Europe as he endured uncomfortably brief periods at Roma and Atletico Madrid. Many still see him as the eventual saviour of the Argentine national team.

Career Stade de Reims 1985-88; Nice 1989-90; Paris FC 1990-91; Velez Sarsfield 1993-96; Roma 1996; Boca Juniors 1998-2001, 2003-04; Atletico Madrid 2005-06
Trophies 4 Copa Libertadores; 7 Argentine titles

 

18. Bill Shankly

Points 1420
Nationality Scottish

“A lot of football success is in the mind,” Bill Shankly once said. “You must believe you are the best and then make sure that you are.”

There was certainly no problem with the former. Utterly incomparable, Shankly will always be remembered for a litany of reasons.

First of all, there was the furnace-blast of personality which produced so many such quotes and quips. Next, there was the theorising and football philosophies. At a time when the global game has never been so privatised, Shankly’s belief that football was merely a collection of people working together has never been so relevant.

Most of all though, there was the manner in which that personality helped mould Liverpool football club. The bald facts are that he took the club from the bottom half of the second division to a league title and lasting success. But the deeper reality is even more impressive. As Kevin Keegan later said, “he put his character into the club in every facet from the bottom to the top… the only appropriate memorial would be renaming Anfield the Shankly Stadium.”

Yet, amidst so much that made him so memorable, it’s too easily forgotten that Shankly’s actual record wasn’t as awe-inspiring as his own aura. Before Anfield, his sides never finished above 12th in the Second Division. And, in 15 years there, he only ever won five major trophies and never lifted the European Cup.

Granted, there were caveats to this. First of all, Inter are alleged to have effectively bought the 1965 semi-final. Secondly, Shankly’s prime came in the most competitive era in English history: between 1959 and 1975, no side retained the title. And it was his successor – Bob Paisley – that ultimately ended that trend, building on the rock-solid foundations that Shankly had laid. Often hailed as a messianic figure, the great Scot was arguably more a Moses for Liverpool.

But, in that sense, Shankly never lived up the second part of his mantra. He never made sure. His true brilliance, though, was perhaps making so many others believe he did.

Career Carlisle United 1949-51; Grimsby Town 1951-54; Workington 1954-55; Huddersfield Town 196-59; Liverpool 1959-74
Trophies 1 Uefa Cup; 3 English titles; 1 FA Cup; 1 Second Division title

 

17. Fabio Capello

Points 1440
Nationality Italian

If you were to look at Fabio Capello’s career purely through the prism of his last major competition – the 2010 World Cup – it would be impossible to have him so high in this list.

But here’s the thing: the Italian’s knock-out record has never actually been convincing. Indeed, in a 20-year career, he’s only won one cup competition. And even that – the 1993-94 Champions League – was down to the fact the more difficult latter stages were replaced by a round-robin format.

Because that’s where Capello has really excelled. He has one of the most formidable league records in football history. In 15 seasons with club teams, he has won a remarkable nine domestic titles. And, although two of them were eventually revoked, that was down to ill-discipline at Juventus’s higher levels rather than among his squad.

Indeed, he almost proved the point with England. In vast contrast to their miserable World Cup campaign, the qualifying campaign was sensational. Twice they utterly pummelled Croatia. That does perhaps prove that the toils of South Africa were something of an aberration, even if Capello was never going to actually end 42 years of hurt.

In that sense, he’s never been a manager to break the mould. But he’s still a born league-winner.

Career Milan 1991-96; Real Madrid 1996-97; Milan 1997-98; Roma 1999-2004; Juventus 2004-06; Real Madrid 2006-07; England 2008-
Trophies 1 Champions League; 9 domestic titles (7 Italy, 2 Spain but 2 revoked)

 

16. Nereo Rocco

Points 1465
Nationality Italian

Had the creator of Catenaccio not been so honest, then it might have been Milan who dominated the ’60s rather than Inter. After finally lifting the European Cup for an Italian team in 1963, Rocco decamped to Torino because of a promise long ago made to their president. As such, the way was clear for Helenio Herrera to take control of the decade with his version of Catenaccio.

Not that any of Rocco’s opponents would have described his play as particularly honest. He is alleged to have told his squad to “kick anything that moves; if it’s the ball so much the better”. And that fit a theme. Because, even though Herrera adapted the maligned Catenaccio so much to the extent he appropriated it, it was Rocco who first made the approach successful.

Although the latter’s implementation of the system was much more open than the Argentine’s, such was the conformity of football after the war that even the slightest alterations could have disproportionate results. That was exactly what happened at Triestina as Rocco took them from bottom to second within a season, before repeating such pronounced leaps with Padova.

And, having lifted such lowly teams to the top, he was then given the chance to actually challenge there with Milan. Indeed, the four years at Torino actually interrupted a sequence of Serie A, European Cup, Serie A, European Cup at the San Siro.

In terms of creating a force, though, that last 1969 continental win actually proved something of a pyrrhic victory. Ajax used the experience of a 4-1 defeat to evolve the kind of football that eventually rendered Rocco’s approach obsolete. But, by that stage, he had used it to maximum effect.

Career Triestina 1947-50; Treviso 1950-53; Triestina 1953-54; Padova 1954-61; Milan 1961-63; Torino 1963-67; Milan 1967-73; Fiorentina 1974-75; Milan 1977
Trophies 2 European Cups; 2 Cup Winners Cups; 2 Italian titles; 3 Italian Cups

 

15. Marcello Lippi

Points 1470
Nationality Italian

Other than Vicente Del Bosque, Lippi is the only manager to have won both a World Cup and a Champions League. It’s a surprising stat that proves it’s pretty much impossible for any coach to have a perfect medal collection.

Because, despite the dynamism of his best teams, Lippi’s record was far from perfect either. In fact, he failed to repeat such records at eight of his 13 separate jobs – most notably Inter. Lippi endured a decade of toiling until finally illustrating his aptitude at Atalanta.

From there, he defied financial anarchy and the aftermath of Diego Maradona to deliver Napoli to the Uefa Cup before ending long droughts for both Juventus and the national team. The 1996 Champions League was the former’s first in 11 years, the 2006 World Cup Italy’s first in 24.

Between 1994 and 2006, then, he was a manager who made up for lost time in every sense. But still hasn’t quite done enough to get into our top 10. A victory in one of those lost Champions League finals or a better showing in the 2010 World Cup might well have been enough.

Career Pontedera 1985-86; Siena 1986-87; Pistoiese 1987-88; Carrarese 1988-89; Cesena 1989-91; Lucchese 1991-92; Atalanta 1992-93; Napoli 1993-94; Juventus 1994-99; Inter 1999-2000; Juventus 2001-04; Italy 2004-06, 2008-10
Trophies 1 World Cup; 1 Champions League; 5 Italian titles; 1 Italian Cup

 

14. Udo Lattek

Points 1485
Nationality German

“In football you develop a taste for winners,” Franz Beckenbauer once said. “And I think Lattek is a winner.”

It’s difficult to deny. Aside from claiming eight domestic titles, Lattek is the only manager in history to have won the three continental club trophies with three different clubs.

To a degree, though, there is an argument that “a winner” is actually all that Lattek was.

He was certainly no team-builder. At Bayern, he essentially built a penthouse on the rock-solid foundations of Zlatko Cajkovski and Brank Zebec. After they had created the core of an all-conquering side, Lattek then lead them to the actual trophies: three Bundesligas and a European Cup.

When they failed to reclaim the title in the same season they won the latter, however, Lattek went to president Wilhelm Neudecker saying “we need some changes”.

“That’s right, you are sacked,” came the reply.

Lattek promptly moved to arch-rivals Borussia Moenchengladbach and accelerated Weisweiler’s initial achievements there with another two titles, a Uefa Cup and a European Cup final appearance. But he was later blamed for not making the necessary changes to sustain the success.

Other than another spell at Bayern with a similar nucleus of talented players – Lothar Matthaus, Klaus Augenthaler – he never repeated such relentless trophy-winning anywhere else.

But, in saying that, few managers had such a capacity to make a promising group of players even better than they were. That was Lattek’s real strength. In that sense, contrary to what Beckenbauer said, there was no thinking about it. He was a proven winner.

Career Bayern Munich 1970-75; Borussia Monchengladbach 1975-79; Borussia Dortmund 1979-81; Barcelona 1981-83; Bayern Munich 1983-87; Koln 1991; Schalke 1992-93; Borussia Dortmund 2000
Trophies 1 European Cup; 1 Uefa Cup; 1 Cup Winners Cup; 8 German titles; 3 German Cups

 

13. Ernst Happel

Points 1505
Nationality Austrian

Ernst Happel was a grumbler. Worse, he was a mumbler. He often spoke to both players and journalists with a cigarette hanging from his mouth.

If not, he was quaffing wine. As former teammate Max Merkel said, “Happel speaks five languages. Usually at the same time.”
Yet he also proved unmatched at getting his message across. In fact, his players hung on his every garbled word. A supreme strategist, Happel usually turned the biggest games of his career with tactical masterstrokes.

Indeed, very little was lost in translation in general. Aside from improving the lot of almost every team he went to, Happel became the first coach to win the European Cup with two different clubs and won eight titles across four countries. In between the continental victories with Feyenoord and Hamburg, too, he also took his talents to the international stage by guiding Holland to the 1978 World Cup final.

As Uli Hesse wrote in Tor!, “It was not easy to work Happel out. What was certain was that he turned out to be one of the most influential and respected coaches in all of German history.”

Career ADO Den Haag 1962-68; Feyenoord 1968-73; Sevilla 1973-75; Brugge 1975-78; Holland 1978; Harelbeke 1979; Standard Liege 1979-81; Hamburg 1981-87; Tirol 1987-91; Austria 1991-92
Trophies 2 European Cups; 8 domestic titles (3 Belgium, 2 Germany, 2 Austria, 1 Holland); 6 domestic cups

 

12. Rinus Michels

Points 1510
Nationality Dutch

Probably the most influential coach of all time. Michel’s mark is stamped all over so many areas of the game, from Barcelona’s pressing game to Jose Mourinho’s systems. As Johan Cruyff said “both as a player and as a trainer there is nobody who taught me as much.” And, unlike so many pioneers such as Victor Maslov, Jimmy Hogan and Hugo Meisl, Michels actually saw his work bear real fruit.

For a start, he echoed the likes of Busby and Shankly in building Ajax. Having saved them from relegation, he immediately won them the title.

To finish, their European Cup win of 1971 as well as Holland’s Euro 88 victory both provided some of football’s most iconic images. In between, there were the touchstone moments of the 1974 World Cup and the exhilarating interlude at Barcelona.

The only argument you could have against Michels is that he essentially missed the peak of so many projects. Ajax went on to even greater things after he left; Barca only blazed brightly in bleak decade, practically waiting for Cruyff to pick up the torch later on; the Dutch hit self-destruct against the Germans both in 1974 and 1990.

In that sense, perhaps ironically, the father of Total Football never saw things through to completion. But the unfinished articles were still unbelievable.

Career Ajax 1965-71; Barcelona 1971-75; Holland 1974; Ajax 1975-76; Barcelona 1976-78; LA Aztecs 1979-80; Holland 1984-85, 1986-88; Bayer Leverkusen 1988-89; Holland 1990-92
Trophies 1 European Championships; 1 European Cup; 5 domestic titles (4 Holland, 1 Spanish); 5 domestic cups

 

11. Matt Busby

Points 1520
Nationality Scottish

The original football patriarch. As well as the father of the modern Manchester United, Busby acted as a mentor to so many other players and managerial greats from Jock Stein to Alex Ferguson. In a situation unthinkable now, Bill Shankly would often drive to Old Trafford after training at Melwood just to bask in Busby’s knowledge.

“What a man Matt Busby is,” Shankly would often exclaim as he left for Liverpool.

Most famously, of course, Busby was a father figure to one of the most exhilarating young sides European football has ever seen. Given their age, ability and exceptional record between 1955 and 1957, there appears little doubt that the Busby Babes would have continued to compete at the top levels of English and continental football. Surely, it is undeniable that both Busby and the club’s trophy haul would have been much more impressive. And, since they ran a peak Real Madrid so close in the 1957 European Cup semi-finals, the debate remains as to what they might have done with a touch more experience.

That, tragically, will remain forever open to question. What won’t is that, in the wake of Munich, Busby again illustrated the personal qualities that made him such a magnificent manager.

He had already overseen Old Trafford’s transformation from a literal bomb site to the figurative ‘Theatre of Dreams’. But to describe the difficulties that he faced in the aftermath of the disaster as a ‘challenge’ would be to do both the victims and the man a massive disservice. Busby had to overcome so many obstacles, emotions, personal injuries and even his own guilt.

Yet, remarkably, United lifted the European Cup a full decade after Munich with a team that evoked the spirit of the Babes.

Despite the excitement of that period, though, it is probable that Busby had passed his peak as a manager by then. His somewhat laissez-faire approach to talent was becoming increasingly out of synch with the systemisation of football. In that sense, the individual brilliance of Denis Law and George Best probably overshadowed the fact that Busby’s style best suited the 50s.

It is still testament to Busby that, across three decades, he built three great teams. And, in the process, a massive club.

Career Manchester United 1945-69, 1970-71; Scotland 1958
Trophies 1 European Cup; 5 English titles; 2 FA Cups

 

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MatthewDavies
MatthewDavies

What a biased piece on Ferguson ha ha ha ha ha everyone knows he DIDN'T and NEVER WILL match Paisley's trophies per season record and that's why he is such a bitter loser.  He will never beat LFC :-)

JerryHiggins86
JerryHiggins86

The thing most people ignore (or forget) about Fergie's European record is that the illegality of the Champions League rules in the 1990s weakened his United team. UEFA only allowed 2 foreign players per match day squad so he had to chose two out of Keane, Irwin, Cantona, Schmeichel, Kanchelskis to mention 5. This in turn did strenghten United in the future because the Nevilles, Beckham, Scholes, et al were thrown into European games because they had to.

MUckcRAcKER
MUckcRAcKER

As per my previous post assertion, Fergie is definitely not the Greatest!

 

A fair assessment of Fergie's Football Manager's Abilities is to gauge his success rate against his European/International Counterparts .

 

Fergie's success domestically comes from the fact that he is at the richest club dominating the PL to wit rapaciously raiding & weakening his domestic rivals  of its Marquee players (Rio, Rooney, Carrick, RVP et al).

Fergie is also well known for his legendary abuses & rants  of FA officials (Fined & disciplined for his recalcitrant behaviour)  to wit his 

Sending Off (MU players being sent off) or Penalties conceded or awarded in favour of MU.

 

Take away his domestic titles, ceteris paribus,

Fergie managerial record is not better than the likes of Dettmar Cramer,  Heynckes, Carlo Ancelotti, Hitzfeld, Brian Clough, Arrigo Sacchi, Happel, Herrera et al.

MUckcRAcKER
MUckcRAcKER

Its 2 years since this thread was posted & updated by the Author.

 

As the 'Devil's Advocate' one has to scrutinize or validates the assertions herein.

The last 2 seasons Fergie was Poor in European Campaigns.

Fergie's MU team was dumped out of the Minnows group & got KO by a real CL team this season.

 

In 26 YEARS  of LONGEVITY and at the Richest Club in PL History Fergie's European record is poor. Fergie  lacked EUROBILITY.

 

2 EC/CL titles when you compared to the likes of Pep (2 Titles in 4 yrs) , Paisley (3 in 9 yrs)  and more than 10 Great Managers (2 CL titles <20 years).

 

Fergie's record is equivalent to a striker having 2 goals in 26 Appearances. That's unacceptable based on his 26 years of longevity @ the richest club

 

All the domestic league titles or Honours?  

The Lion share of it is  expected from any manager @ the richest club of any League to wit

Old Firm in SPL,

Milan in Serie A,

RM/Barca in la liga or

MU in PL

 

Besides EUROBILITY  What's also important is tactical nous &  head to head results against his PEERS.

 

To wit in recent 11vs11 matches, MU team were beaten or humiliated by the likes of RM's City or RB Chelsea.

 

Don't Mistake Longevity for Talent or Greatness!

 

 

 

 

smithsim
smithsim

jelous twats 47 trophies and has beat cancer 5 times the closest i know to that is 26 fuck u all

Akiak
Akiak

Enjoyed the list, although I do think Rinus Michels is still the best of all time and deserves a much higher spot.

surutusurutu
surutusurutu

How can Carlos Bilardo a world cup winner in 1986 and a world cup runner up in 1990 be in 50th place while Alex Ferguson who never won a world cup match is 1st 

thefootballfan
thefootballfan

Ferguson does not know how to beat messi so he is shit

yahyohon87
yahyohon87

where is Tele Santana, Frens Bekkenbaur?!

yahyohon87
yahyohon87

* he make revolution (sorry, my english so bad)

yahyohon87
yahyohon87

I think R.michels is 1 st without no doubt, he's revolution in football,  he/s genius, 

 

2 nd Heleno Herrera, he's 1 st coach began playing countar attack in football

 

3rd Pep Guardiola

HarveyRayson
HarveyRayson

Vanderlei Luxemburgo? He won 5 Brazilian Serie A's, 13 Brazilian state championships, a Copa America, a Brazilian Serie B and a Brazilian Cup?

Ian9999
Ian9999

What about George Ramsay? 6 league and 6 FA cups alone should put him in the 20's. I imagine it would be hard to come up with figures for points 2 and 3 from your "how it works" page but surely he deserves a mention at least. Herbert Chapman gets in with 4 league and 2 FA and he was operating at the same time.

James Hutchfull
James Hutchfull

Understood, hence my comment! What lists are coming up?

Football Pantheon
Football Pantheon

It's only an opening for discussion/debate lads, not definitive!

nismoz
nismoz

@ ADAM BROWN . AND SO WHAT IF HE WON INTER A CL IN 45 YEARS. HITZFIELD WON DORTMUND THEIR FIRST EVER CL, HIDDINK WON PSV THEIR FIRST EVER CL WHATS SO SPECIAL BOUT WINNING CL IN 45 YEARS. INTER MILAN HAS ALWAIS BEEN IN THE CL YEAR AFTER YEAR. UR ARGUMENTS ARE JUST WEAK. MOURINHO NEVER CREATED THAT SIDE FROM SCRATCH COZ NEARLY ALL THE PLAYERS WERE ALREADY THERE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

nismoz
nismoz

Mate are u joking about mourinho!?!? Porto FC had 10 Portugal international players in that 2004 CL final lineup! If he was truly great he would of won Portugal La liga with Uniao de Leira. At chelsea, he squandered no less than 500million pounds in those 3.5 years and the only result he could manage was 2 EPL titles. Ferguson/Wenger did way better than him with half as much money spent on transfers, not only that they built several different sides throughout the decade. Mourinho could never produce his own players maintain longetivity. At Inter, his only main competitor was AS ROMA coz Juventus got relegated n AC Milan/Fiorentina/Lazio started off minus points in serie A table... wonder why he left Inter so soon? maybe coz he wasnt so great building sides other than given large transfer money to buy his way to a title or two. Inter Milan could never offer the kinda money RM offer him and yes he still sux coz he has the most expensive team in the world at RM but still cant manage to win Barcelona! His career stats against Barcelona stands 4W/6D/10L for a winning percantage of 20%, u wanna call that special?? Not so special if u sum it up all the money he has spent in those 4 clubs hes been at! Winning 2 CL is a achievement but at what kinda cost!? Hitzfield did it wit Dortmund and Bayern at the pinnacle of the world game in the mid-late 90s when Italian league was the benchmark of world football. But Mourinho had such a great side (10 of his porto players played for Portugal at Euro 04) people who has a brain can tell u that Mourinho isnt so great or innovative at what he does. He uses the same players same tactics over n over again and yes he can win all the crap teams but when it comes to the real deal, he stands in their shadow n the only excuses for those losses is OH REF CHEATED!

adamrhbrown
adamrhbrown

Definitely the best of your lists so far. One big debate is how a man as successful as Fergie can still be so denigrated. His comparative lack of tactical acumen may have been a barrier towards Man Utd creating a true European dynasty (well that and Messi's influence at Barcelona), but I cannot think of many other figures who would last a quarter of a century in such a top job. (Particularly interesting to compare his career with his good friend and fellow 'New Firm' boss, Jim McLean, who slowly drove himself insane with his commitment to the job.) Of course he has it easier than most in acquiring good players, but he has rarely bought already-established stars and there are countless examples of lesser figures struggling to control six-figure egos, let alone for so long.

Interesting to see you rate Ottmar Hitzfeld so highly. Even as a kid, seeing his name and face come up so often, I've long felt he's been underappreciated in Britain. Cloughie of course remains football's most enduring enigma. Taylor's name should always follow his though.

Hope something can be done to fix the difficulty international managers currently have on your system. Seeing as how everybody acknowledges the vital differences between the two jobs though, maybe it would be best to split club and country gaffers, as you've already done for teams.

Controversial opinion for this list - personally think Sacchi is a better self-publicist than a coach.

latofils
latofils

I really don't understand why vittorio pozzo never enters anyone's list this days we are talking about the greatest international managers and the inventor of the metodo system

Football Pantheon
Football Pantheon

It's certainly something we'd look into in the future. Also thinking of getting people to do well-argued rebuttals of our lists.

Derek Hopper
Derek Hopper

If you're looking for other writers I'd love to contribute something. I'm thinking a 10,000 word piece on the Ajax team of the early 70s.

Derek Hopper
Derek Hopper

My favourite manager-related story is when Shevchenko flew out to Kiev after he won the Champer's League and put his medal on the statue of Lobanovsky. Beautiful.

callumjhart17
callumjhart17

 @MUckcRAcKER That is the biggest pile of crap you've ever spoke. You mentioned Pep and Paisley, what they achieved don't get me wrong were great achievements no doubt, however, pep especially inherited what is looked at and is quite possibly the greatest team to have ever walked out onto a football pitch. Paisleys achievements were great too but that team was built by Shankley and already knew how to win. Sir Alex turned Man United from top 6 under achievers into the most decorated, hated and admired football team in british history and it was all his own work. And the stat of 2 in 26 being the equivalent to a striker scoring 2 in 26 is stupid, winning the champions league is the biggest achievement in club football and the fact Pep Guardiola done it twice in 4 years shouldn't be the benchmark as, as i said, the team he inherited is incredible more to the point built by another manager, Frank Riijkard.

JerryHiggins86
JerryHiggins86

 @surutusurutu He was briefly manager of Scotland but that wasn't his team. He was only there because of the death of Jock Stein, you can hardly hold that against him.

nismoz
nismoz

 @surutusurutu although ferguson hasnt won a world cup, but he has built so many dynasty over that 25 years period. The main factor which i think makes him stand out is the fact that when he joined Man Utd in 1987, Man Utd was nothing but a average joe in the 1st division. so it is magnificent achievement considering he built man utd reputation from "almost" scratch.

cfc912
cfc912

 @nismoz How stupid are you? Scolari only started two players from Mourinho's Porto team at the euro 2004 in the first match and they lost. Due to outcry from fans and the media, he placed most of Mourinho's players in the next match and they won comfortably. Please, learn your facts before you speak boy.

Coach Daniel
Coach Daniel

 @nismoz Your argument is not objective at all and is totally against the progress of the game.

adamrhbrown
adamrhbrown

@nismoz Mourinho made that Porto team from scratch with far more limited funds than he had at Chelsea. And you're being deliberately stupid to say he 'only' won two Premier League titles - he was only there for three years! And at Inter he didn't just win a weakened Serie A - he beat the side ranked 4th in FP's list of the greatest of all time and won their first European Cup in 45 years. And he'll probably win it again with Real Madrid this year.

So, he takes the big jobs. So what? Look at all the other men who fall short of his achievements with the same resources. No manager could win a major league title with a provincial club these days, not even Brian Clough. (Except perhaps in Germany.)

And finally, Mourinho has never created a dynasty, but he's not the only one on this list you can say that about. Some managers are dictators, some are wanderers. Some have been between the two. But it's not that important in evaluating their abilities.

nismoz
nismoz

 @cfc912 i think ur the real retarded one, the following players were well established internationals for portugal before Mourinho even joined Porto,  Vito Baia..Paulo Ferreira..Jorge Costa..Nuno Valente...Costinho..Pedro Mendes so where the fuk did u get "Mourinho created all these players into international players for portugal???" if u have no clue on the topic go n do some research before u open ur mouth again amateur!

nismoz
nismoz

 @Coach Daniel against the progress of the game? perhaps u shud explain urself in much more analytical details!??!

arditspahija
arditspahija

 @adamrhbrown  @nismoz look at him now,period,its easier to go to a team and stay there all your career,than to change teams and with every team splash it out and win everything!

nismoz
nismoz

@adamrhbrown@nismoz @adam brown, if u dont know what ur talkin about, do some research and see who were the players at Porto in season 2002-04. He inheritted most of the squad from the very beginning and Porto has always been a powerful in the early 2000s. if u have a brain there u would know EPL back in 2003-05 was by far easier to win than nowadays! Perhaps u have forgotten the only competitors back then was Man Utd and Arsenal where as now its teams like man city liverpool tottenham all have a fair crack at it. If Serie A without Juventus and AC Milan/Fiotenrina/Lazio all started off on minus points, common sence would prevail that the final standings on the seria A table would be affected?? Yes they beat Barcelona in 1st leg of the 2 leg semi final in 2010 CL, but whats his overall record against Barcelona again?? at inter, he faced barcelona 4 times for 1W/1D/2L and his overall record is by far alot worse. So buying his way to CL trophy only means that hes not innovative or bold enough to promote his own youth players and build his team around it. why did he leave Inter so soon? thats right majority of the players are nearing wrong 30s and he knows he cant build another team, thats why he ditched Inter Milan for RM.

nismoz
nismoz

 @cfc912 2 or 3 porto players?? so is it 2 or 3 lol u cant even get ur own facts right n sitting here making up numbers! the main argument here is mourinho had a full team of internationals at his disposal, whether its at euro 2000, or wc 2002 or euro 2004. all those players mentioned above had played in those tournaments.Porto before mourinho's arrival was already a powerhouse so grab urself a tissue box and find urself a corner doochebag!

cfc912
cfc912

 @nismoz Anyway, you're an idiot and have no idea about what you're saying. You're probably a new football fan and supports a bandwagon team. Your stupid little comments can't discredit Mourinho's achievements nor the countless players who praises him. 

cfc912
cfc912

 @nismoz  Anyone can get capped at International level you idiot, it doesn't mean they're a starter. Mourinho's success began 2 years and a half before 2004 so he did help turn them into starters.

cfc912
cfc912

 @nismoz  Please, moron, look at Scolari's team for the Euro 2004. He only started 2 or 3 Porto players and when they lost to Greece in the first match, the media and fans were in outrage and called for Mourinho's Porto players to play. And MOURINHO'S team, led them to the final.

nismoz
nismoz

 @arditspahija  @adamrhbrown I think you play too much fantasy football, if you think its easier to stay at one club n develop world class players and bring them through to first team, why doesnt mourinho do that at chelsea, inter milan or even real madrid?? or should i say it wud be so much easier if you buy every top class player from other clubs and weaken their strength so you can win all the titles?? that's effectively what mourinho did, jump around clubs and buy all the players he think will weaken his enemy! if he cud buy barcelona he wud, only idiots are kept in the dark about him getting rejected for the barcelona head coaching job in 2008!

nismoz
nismoz

 @adamrhbrown  @Adam first of all, get urself some medication before you post any further comments. i know ur good at reading magazines and stats but only an idiot like you wud sit here and say he's a god coz he won inter a triple. Alot of teams in the past had won triple by beating some of the best teams of their era eg) Man Utd v Juventus in 1999, despite the fact Inter beat barcelona in 1 game (from a milito offside goal) doesn't mean they are really better. otherwise all the teams that had beaten barcelona over the past 4 years wud of been rated higher than barcelona. secondly, if you think its hard to win serie a titles in that era, think again who was the coach before Mourinho at Inter Milan? i am sure ur google search would tell u its Mr Mancini who had won 2 serie a titles before mourinho's arrival. The only difference is, Mancini had less money to spend compare to Mourinho. In Mancini's 4 years at Inter, his total spending was 108.5 million euros ( first 2 years he only spent 30 million). Compare to Mourinho's 2 years spending of 135 million euros explains why Mourinho achieved better results. Anyone wanna argue, here's the proof:  http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/inter-milan/transfers/verein_46_2010_default_default_alle_a.html 

nismoz
nismoz

@adamrhbrown@Adam EVEN MORE FUNNY IS WHEN ALL THE COACHES IN THE WORLD PRAISE FOR BARCELONA EXCEPT MOURINHO WHO HAS NOTHING ELSE TO SAY OTHER THAN OHH REF CHEATED THIS REF CHEATED THAT WE DIDNT GET ANY PENALTIES SO CR7 COULDNT SCORE!

nismoz
nismoz

@adamrhbrown@Adam LOL @ ADAM BROWN AGAIN WITH UR COMMENTS ABOUT MAKING FERGUSONS TEAM LOOK ORDINARY! PERHAPS U HAVE FORGOTTEN BOUT HOW MUCHMONEY RM SPENT ON BUILDING THIS EXPENSIVE SIDE? COMPARING FERGUSONS SIDE TO MOURINHOS SIDE, U CAN PRETTY MUCH SAY FERGUSONS NURTURED HIS YOUTH INTO THE FULL TEAM WHERE AS MOURINHO BOUGHT ALL THE ESTABLISHED PLAYERS WITH MASSIVE TRANSFER PRICES AND YET THEY STILL GET EMBARRASED IN ALL 10 EL CLASSICOS. SO U TELL ME WHOS MORE OVERATTED? SOMEONE WHO SPENDS LESS AND GENERATE 3-4 GENERATIONS OF GREAT SIDES AND WIN ENDLESS TROPHIES OR SOMEONE WHO JUMPS AROUND DIFFERENT CLUBS AND SPENT 800 MILLION POUNDS AND WIN COUPLE TROPHIES HERE N THERE

nismoz
nismoz

@adamrhbrown@Adam LOL @ ADAM BROWN FOR FYI 10 of Mourinhos Porto Players played for Portugal in that era. In the 2004 CL Final there was 9 portugal internationals in the starting lineup. Its like saying Barcelona has 9 players playing Spain or Vice versa. Mourinho Inheritted a Portugal national side by virtue of default and this era was by far Portugals golden era! from Euro 2000 to WC2006 they had wonderful runs in international tournaments and nearly all the Porto players in that side had already played for Portugal! The only reason why Porto didnt win another CL was coz Mourinho took all the players with him over to Chelsea and half other players all departed for other richer clubs. Same theory with Chelsea, if hes so great like he self proclaimed being the special one, how come he fuked up @ Chelsea when he had Roman's deep pockets to line up his ego!?!? Subsequent coaches in chelsea and inter all failed to match his consistency is not coz of his true ability rather its his incompetency not developing his own youth players and promote em when chances arises, he just buys all the established players for quick fixes and when they are nearing the wrong end of 30s, Mourinho jus flys the nest and goes to another club which gives him more transfer money! As i mentioned above, hes only good at buying his way to trophies for short term success when it comes to stay in one team and build a dynasty and develop his own young players and maintaining longetivity, hes no where near the same level as Guardiola/Ferguson/Wenger etc.

adamrhbrown
adamrhbrown

@nismoz@Adam Interesting that you have ignored my main point - comparing Mourinho's record with others who have done the same jobs recently. Porto's players were not as weak as is often made out, but who else could have taken them anywhere near a Champions League triumph? Not many. How many of his Chelsea successors have struggled to match him for consistency?All of them. You may argue he took over at Inter at just the right moment, but again they weren't much use in Europe before he went there. And his overall record against Barcelona doesn't matter if he takes Real to the title and a 10th European Cup. Alex Ferguson's teams have been made to look very ordinary against Barca recently. Does that make him an overrated manager? Does it make Guardiola the best manager today? Not necessarily.

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